Forgot to say this…By the way, the show I saw last night didn’t change my mind about anything, merely pointed out a few things I hadn’t known previously, such as some of the incidents when black veterans returned from WW II and were treated no better than they had been before, even though they had just come back from risking their lives for THEIR (and my, thank you) country.
Was that right? NO.
That’s an astute observation, light strand. But don’t you realize that white men’s dominance is attritbuted not to their inherent evilness, but to their God-given superiority?
I just realized something. Halogen hates Jews because he/she thinks they think they’re better than everyone. Halogen thinks he/she’s better than everybody. Therefore, Halogen must be a Jew.
But wait. If you hate Jews so much, why would you want them to convert people? And isn’t that what you’re indicting them of anyway? Isn’t that what the Big Horrible Scary Conspiracy is about? The Jews brainwashing us? Wouldn’t their lack of prostelyzation be a GOOD thing under your delusional paradigm?
Halogen said:
If that were all true, wouldn’t it be safe to say that the Jews have proven they are better than you? After all, if just 2.5% of the population could exercise so much control, maybe you should just slink back into a cave somewhere and admit to Jew Supremacy…
Those kids in the movie Newsies? Jews. I could go on…
I still can’t get my head round this “Jewish conspiracy” idea.
There’s only 14 million Jews left in the world so…their plan for world domination isn’t going very well is it?
In fact, as plans for world domination go, I would have to say it’s one of the worst.
When the Elders got together at that fateful meeting 150 years ago to thrash out their plan for global dominance (as outlined in the Protocols), they came up with a plan that involves years of Russian pogroms, anti-semitic laws and Nazi death camps.
If I’d been present at that meeting I think I would have tentatively raised my hand and said “err…is that really the best we can come up with?”
So one of the reasons I reject your “Jews have a plan to take over the world theory” is that it’s such a shit plan that no one would ever undertake it (certainly not the “cunning” Jews).
It’s a plan that’s reduced the Jewish population of the world to 14 million. So far the plan has been ongoing for 150 years (or whatever) and they don’t seem to have got very far in all that time, do they?
Possibly they own the odd newspaper here and there, maybe they have the odd high-up politician but they’re still a long way off world domination. So just how long does this plan have to be in operation for before it starts to bear real fruit?
There’s only 14 million of them left, and Jews don’t seek out new converts, so time is running out. It’d better start to work soon or they’ll be too late.
Their trying to lull us into a fals sense of security…
Who is John Hron? All the links I could find where in Swedish(?)
Hey, a conspiracy guy arguing AGAINST Mormons in a conspiracy! Keen!
Question: Are you a Christian?
Thanks, Duck Duck Goose, I was hoping to hear what their understanding of it was. I was expecting a long rambling answer.
I don’t get this continual listing of names to try and prove a point about “Jews controlling the media”. Most people in this country share their father’s last name, but I thought one was a Jew if born to a Jewish mother.
So how does a Jewish surname automatically indicate the Jewish race or religion?
Somehow I suspect that they use the same standard that used to be used in the South. If you have even one drop of “non-white” blood, then you are not “white”. The entire obsession with this kind of thing seems silly.
Not one response to my thread about Rushton! Give me a hand, willya.
Also, a question for halogen: I would have to think that even by your own reckoning, the Jewish presence in media, while out of proportion to the Jewish percentage of the population, is not greater than 50%. IOW most of the media is non-Jewish. So the question is, how do less than half the media members manage to execise such total control over the media, to the point that your views - which you think are perfectly reasonable - are regarded as outside the pale? You would think that the Gentile members of the media would be exerting their own influence in the opposite direction.
Now as I understand it - and correct me if I’m wrong here - the WN answer to this is that the clever Jews have managed somehow to manipulate and brainwash the rest of the “liberals” and “leftists” in the media to believe in their lies. But my question is: is there any objective way that this could be determined? IOW, suppose one had no political position at all and was considering the likelihood that a small percentage of the population, exerting minority control over the media had managed to brainwash most of the rest of the media, and by extension the rest of the country, to believe in some nonsensical theory that is counter to the interests of the majority - surely you would concede that this is counterintuitive. So then, to believe you would seem to require that you begin with preconceived prejudices, which your Jewish control theories are required to support. What do you say?
(BTW - a minor point - you are manipulating your stats, by using a 2.5% population number based on current estimates of professing Jews, and comparing it to your list of media people who are in many cases people who are Jewish only by WN regulations, e.g. Sulzberger of the NY Times.)
Actually, DDG, as with many outrageous whoppers, there is a grain of truth in this. Back in the day, Israel did tacitly encourage Hamas as a counterweight to the PLO. In a similar vein, Israel provided covert support to the Iranian air force during its war with Iraq in the form of spare parts and technical assistance to keep at least some of Iran’s F-14s operational.
David B. makes an excellent point. Why do WNs complain about the Israeli treatment of Palestinians? Isn’t this what right-thinking Jewish separatists ought to be doing? Jews ought to be the WN role model!
Jews are hugely outnumbered and forced to live (at least until 1948) in foreign societies. Despite these enormous disadvantages, Jews have
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[li]Maintained their culture free from contamination by mongrel races[/li][li]been extremely loyal to members of their own race[/li][li]Managed to take over most of the important parts of Western Civilization[/li][li]Gotten a hold of their own country where they can celebrate their Jewishness and keep out the inferior white race[/li][/ul]
Let’s face it, if the WNs were one-tenth as successful as the Jews, they’d already have achieved their goals. Whites just aren’t up to it, apparently. It may be that, since Whites vastly outnumber Jews, Whites may be able to eventually bring the Jews down. But this won’t mean that Whites are superior, anymore than a pack of mangy wild dogs are superior if they are able to pull down a human.
Based on all the evidence supplied by our WN friends, the Jews are the Master Race. All this name-calling is just the frustrated response of an inferior intellect unwilling to face the facts and admit its inferiority.
AFAIK, this is just an allegation, not an accepted fact. (If otherwise, let’s see what you’ve got).
Not a similar vein at all. The purpose in that instance was to keep Iraq from winning the war. It was after they got disentangled from each other that they were able to fully focus on others, particularly in the case of Iraq.
The rest of your post completely misses the point (as have numerous others of a similar vein). WNs do not think Jews are inferior in ability - quite the reverse, actually - only that they are morally inferior and a danger of using their superior talents against the host cultures that they infest. It is the Blacks et al that are “inferior”. It is for this reason that they often advocate harsher measures against Jews than against Blacks - they see the Jews as a serious threat that must be eliminated, and the blacks as being something that could be controlled relatively easily (once the Jews are out of the way).
Not a big WN here, as you can imagine. But it serves little purpose to ridicule WN by misrepresenting WN views, IMHO.
I made a similar (though less elegantly stated) statement back on page 2 of Part I of this thread: if the Jews control everything, then how are they not the superior race? Sionnach’s response did nothing to alter this perception.
I doubt there is any real difference in attitude whether one considers another group to be intellectually, morally, or even physically inferior. The end result is a perception of superiority, and the resultant dehumanization of the opposing group (witness Sionnach’s references to Jews as “rats” and “vermin”).
You are right, of course, from a moral perspective. I am merely commenting on the argument: “if the Jews are so inferior, how do they control everything?”. This is not a valid argument.
IzzyR, First I think you are making a mistake in attributing a coherent position to WN. These people manifestly do not share an organized viewpoint much deeper than a generalized hatred. There certainly is no general agreement that “Jewish culture” is inferior but that “Jewish genes” are superior. I’d be quite surprised if any WN were to admit the truth of the “mongrel dog pack” analogy.
The point of the argument is that WNs effectively claim that Jews have successfully achieved pretty much everything that WNs dream about. It’s also hard to see the basis for claming Jews are immoral. While WNs might claim that Jews haven’t been “playing fair,” that hardly qualifies them for moral condemnation. After all, Jews have been severely outnumbered and operating in “enemy territory” for at least two thousand years. One can hardly blame them for seizing whatever advantages they could. Wouldn’t a WN do the same to protect the existence of his or her race?
On balance, I have to agree with Sparc. WN isn’t about logic and facts, it’s about emotion. Always remember, “People want to believe what they want to believe and they don’t want to believe what they don’t want to believe.” This tendency is carried to the point of mental illness by many WNs. There is literally no piece of evidence and no logical argument that will convince them to change their world view.
Truth Seeker:
I think the WN can be coherent in some arguments and incoherent in others. There does not appear to be widespread agreement on anything (besides dislike for all non-whites) within the movement, but what I’ve described appears to be the prevailing attitude with regards to that particular issue.
Whether you agree that there is a basis for claiming that the Jews are immoral is irrelevant to whether there is an inconsistency in the WN position.
I do not disagree with your final paragraph.
Whe confronted with anyone who claims Jews (or any other group) secretly control the media/politics/government etc, the only logical question is: if they’re so powerful and so ruthless, why haven’t you, who apparantly knows all about their secret plans and are telling anyone who will listen, been assasinated yet?
Until a serious attempt is made on your life, your claims are not quite serious enough to warrant attention.