What questions? I’ve stated that all of your psychobabble about what you assume my personal life to be like is inaccurate, so anything relating to that is going to be ignored, since you apparently ignored me.
I was referring to interracial crime. When the crime is interracial, black on white crime is far more likely than the reverse, even though it’s white on black crime that gets all the media attention and fits by Jesse Jackson and liberal groups.
A nation is the people, and what is bad for the family is bad for the nation because the family is the basic unit to bring up the next generations. Does anyone here even care about future generations, or is the mentality just “me, me, me” and “now, now, now”?
The birth rate in all Western nations is declining. The “overpopulation” scare is a liberal myth that probably contributed greatly to the lack of birth rates in the West. The problem we will face in the future is underpopulation, not overpopulation… and the bandaid of choice on our aging nations will be more and more immigrants, whom will likely completely take over every Western nation in the future as long as the majority of whites have lost the will to reproduce and think about future generations.
This is exactly the type of denigration of motherhood and family that is common on the left.
People were more economically comfortable in the 1950’s than now, and they had a baby boom.
That solution comes at the price of our preserving our culture. Imagine Japan flooded with whites or mexicans with a Japanese minority. It would no longer resemble Japan. It would be like California. Ditto for Italy, Ireland, Scotland, Germany, etc. An America/Canada will majority asians, mestizos or Muslims will not be the same America/Canada you and I grew up in.
Actually, the accurate number is closer to 90% white in 1950, or 89.5% to be exact. The 1965 Immigration act is what flooded non-white immigration into the US. Ironically, the people were told that opening immigration to non-whites would not change the cultural landscape of the country, since in those days that was actually important. Since it was a blatant lie, nowadays whites are just told that they have no culture and that diversity is strength.
http://www.sunjournal.com/story.asp?slg=100402brawl
And tell me… do any of you think that white people have a right to not have to put up with that kind of thing in their own community? Would any of you guys support a law that says that people in a community can make their own immigration laws to restrict who gets to move in? Or, do you guys think that no one should have that right, and that multiculturalism must be spread to all regardless of whether the people want it or not?
Oh now that’s just stupid. Wrong. Incorrect, etc. The standard of living now is insanely better than it was 50 years ago. You’d have to be delusional to believe otherwise, which come to think of it, never mind.
And nobody here has disputed that black-on-white crime is higher (per capita, at least) than white-on-black crime. The question is why? Is it magical pixies or economics? Come to think of it, never mind.
Is there anything strange in your ignoring numerous points made by people yet expecting everyone to read every bit of repetitive nonsense you put up? But never mind. As an addendum to my previous post, here’s yet another WN thread. And here is my question for you: what do think is the likelihood that PailRyder is actually Jewish?
I read the articles. One was a newpaper account of a brawl in which a local man and a Somali immigrant where the Somali pulled a knife and stabbed the local man.
Wow, this has really convinced me. :rolleyes: Because, heaven knows that a white man would never pull a knife on another person and stab him. Oh wait, except it does happen. Although since it was a jew, that makes it Ok right?
The other is an article about a mayor in some town in Maine that doesn’t want any more immigrants. :rolleyes:
What exactly does any of this prove? That is anecdotal evidence.
Eh? You’re the one going on and on about how white folks need to get out and breed more. If there’s any denigration going on, it’s on your end.
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You mean the California that has the fifth highest GDP in the world? Which means only four countries in the world have a higher one. And one of those is the U.S. itself.
Sionnach, I think you’re sad. I think your life is sad. You know ever since I’ve looked at the SF board, and this thread, I’ve been noticing the race of people. I don’t like it. I don’t like that when I took my dog for a walk, and the lovely teenage girl across the street said “hi” to me I took note of the fact that she’s black. That I even thought twice about the race of the snipers. It’s sick, and pathetic. I liked myself better when it just didn’t matter. I think that you’ll like yourself better too if you just let this crap go.
In the big scheme of things is race really that important? I have so many other better things to worry about. I live in a reality where nice folks comes in all colors, as so do the assholes. Race isn’t even on my radar. Call me naive (I’m sure you will) but I just really don’t care.
Beauty comes in all colors, and I thing that it’s really sad that you can’t see it.
I know when I was little, I NEVER thought about race. I used to watch The Jeffersons and never even noticed that Tom and Helen were a bi-racial couple. It wasn’t a big deal until someone mentioned it later on.
Er, put up with what kind of thing? I assume you must mean something like, “Blacks! Moving into their white community! Without their permission! Because the liberal Jewish multiculturalism establishment tells them they can!” However, not surprisingly, your links don’t seem to make the “Oh, those poor oppressed whites!” point they’re apparently intended to make.
To summarize: There aren’t that many jobs to go around; there are culture clashes, as is inevitable when you move a large group of “different” people into any city; there’s an increasing stream of Somali refugees showing up in Lewiston expecting housing and jobs; and the city’s basically full. Mayor Raymond wants the Somalis to stop coming, just for a bit, to give Lewiston some breathing space.
That doesn’t seem like an unreasonable request to me. Maybe a trifle tactless–he could have dealt with the problem by going to the Somali leaders privately and working something out, but still…
Far from being upset at the prospect of blacks moving into their community, it seems like the people of Lewiston are actually doing all they can to help the Somalis move in. They seem to be enjoying the “multiculturalism challenge”, even if Mayor Ray is personally feeling a tad overwhelmed.
Okay, so a bunch of twenty-somethings standing around on a street corner get drunk and get in a fight with a bunch of other twenty-somethings. Some of them happen to be black, some of them happen to be white. So what?
Neither of your links has anything to do with people “making their own immigration laws to restrict who gets to move in”. Nobody in either article is quoted as saying, “Get them out of here.” As a matter of fact, it’s the exact opposite.
It would appear that it’s only Sionnach who thinks the Somalis ought to be forced to leave Lewiston, which is odd, since…
…and one might presume that it’s none of your concern what goes on in Lewiston, Maine.
Oh, and by the way, since “immigration” does seem to be the biggest burr under y’all’s saddle, check out my link…
“Sionnach” is a Irish name, isn’t it? If you had tried to emigrate from Ireland to Lewiston in the 1850s, you’d have been the discriminated-against outsider, considered an “alien”, and a “drunken thief”, and if female, a “slut”, or worse.
And I might also point out that the violence that would have resulted would have been white-on-white violence.
Isolated incidents of sudden culture shock. Big deal.
Benjamin Franklin expressed grave concern that the Germans were going to overwhelm the fledgling United States (and destroy its culture).
My Irish ancestors were harried and tormented by your spiritual antecedents, the American Party, (better known by their self-applied and so appropriate nickname the Know Nothing Party) because they were going to destroy the fabric of America.
There were cries and alarums over the immigration of the Poles, the Italians, the Portuguese, the Slovenians, Croats, and Serbians, the Bohemians, and on an on with each new wave of immigrants being identified as “the group” that was going to shred the American identity, destroy the American way of life, and overthrow American culture (such as it was).
And here we are, almost 230 years after Franklin’s first concerns, still America. It does not look exactly the way it did in the 1780s–we don’t enslave people based on their skin color and our roads are not hip-deep in mud each Spring; we do not have restrictive state laws discriminating against people on the basis of their religion and we no longer see a third of our children die from common diseases before they reached adulthood; we have stopped murdering the aboriginal inhabitants (at least, openly) and we no longer draw our water by hand from a cistern that sits near our cesspool. There are a lot of differences between 1776 and 2002, but change is inevitable.
For that matter, your undefined (and undefinable) “white” culture was not the same in 1950 as it was in 1850–or 1750 or 1650. All things change. Immigrants do bring changes, but they also assimilate. You can’t make me feel “proud” to be “white” when I enjoy so many things that arrived in this country with people who were not “white.”
If you need to create some sort of ersatz “white” culture, go ahead–just take yourselves out somewhere isolated where you won’t bother the rest of the humans with whom I share this country.
BTW, still waiting for Sionnach to explain how somebody’s religion changes their skin color (as in “Jews aren’t white”)… Good thing I’m not holding my breath…
Just so we’re clear, I’ll repost your statement I responded to:
Originally posted by Sionnach
My response:
While true that the United States experienced a slight increase in birth rates in the 1950’s (and a smaller increase in the late 70’s and early 80’s), your original statement (that the decline in the birth rates is the result of the “triumph of feminism” liberating women from family and motherhood) doesn’t jibe with the long-term trend in the decline of birth rates in the developed world.
Here’s a link giving you some data pertaining to the long-term decline in birth rates rates for the United States. Focus on the measure CBR (Crude Birth Rates). Notice the trend in declining birth rates? How does one explain the overall decline starting in 1870? The “triumph of feminism”?
Here’s another that gives fertility rates for both whites and blacks from 1800 on. Notice the overall trend in the decline in fertility rates for both whites and blacks over time?
Here’s a graph depicting birth and death rates for both the developed world and the underdeveloped from 1775-2000. Notice that the birth rate starts to decline around 1875 and continues thereafter?
Here’s another link that’s an abstract of a paper dealing with the population of the United States from 1790-1920. I’ll even provide an excerpt for your perusal:
“The fertility transition was early (dating from at least 1800) and from very high levels. The average woman had over seven livebirths in 1800. The crude birth rate declined from about 55 in 1800 to about 25 in 1920. This occurred before 1860 in an environment without widespread urbanization and industrialization in most of the nation.”
So at least in the United States, the trend in birth rates/fertility rates was already in decline, even before the US entered its period of industrialization (which is often cited as a major factor in understanding the decline in birth/fertility rates).
Here’s a couple of links to studies examining the decline in birth rates/fertility rates in the US in the 1800’s:
If you are going to posit that “Birth rates are declining in all Western nations because of the triumph of feminism in ‘liberating’ women from family and motherhood”, then your going to need to explain how “feminism” is responsible for the continual decline in birth rates/fertility rates in the 1800’s starting in the 1800’s to today.
And to state that “people were more economically comfortable in the 1950’s than now, and they had a baby boom” ignores all the available economic evidence from a historical perspective. Surely you would agree that living conditions have improved dramatically from the 1800’s until today in the developed world? Yet the overall trend has been one of contined decline in birth/fertility rates.
I think positing economic explanations is much more defensible than blaming it on the “triumph of feminism” for the decline in birth/fertility rates in the developed world. Unless, of course your arguing that the economic growth and development that occurred in the developed world from the 1850’s to present afforded greater freedom/reproductive choices for women in those countries. In which case the “triumph of feminsim” is squarely on the shoulders of the developed (predominantly “white”) world.
But then again, you may think that the Industrial Revolution (which helped precipitate the increase in living conditions throughout the developed world) was the result of a Jewish conspiracy to help precipitate the eventual decline in the birth/fertility rates of whites vis-a-vis non-whites :rolleyes:
Im sorry, I must have slipped off the cultural bandwagon about 500 years back… somebody explain to me why we waste so much time trying to classify people into this or that category and then argue about one group trying to take over the world while another gets shafted? I thought we were all just people, what is the point of drawing these ridiculous lines?
Nope I didn’t ignore you. And that what you delivered wasn’t an answer, was it now? I answered you in this post. Where I asked you some more questions.
I’ll reiterate and rephrase for you:
How old are you?
What happened when you used to be a “liberal punk”, did someone hurt you or disappoint you?
Have you had multiple or one very significant incident of violence or fear of violence by people of other skin color/ethnicity directed at you or your close ones?
If so, what would you do if these incidents had involved big burly Aryan Brotherhood Romper Stomper Skins? Hate White Nationalists, or all white people or just men in general?
I will also add:
Did you grow up under stable family conditions?
We already know that there was strife between ethnical groups in your childhood environment, in what way where you involved?
What was your attendance card like at school?
Do you have a job/go to school?
What is your financial situation? Or rather, do you feel that you live below the standard you deserve?
Have significant people around you lost their jobs, or lived in substandard conditions during your life? Where they ‘white people?’ Did you seem to perceive that all the ‘brown people’ were doing OK in this respect while all people of “your kind” where disenfranchised?
These questions are much more important than the rest of the babbling going on here. Maybe these can be answered with the truth. If I am way off the mark, please try to tell us a little about yourself and your past anyway. I think it would help people understand what you are trying to say. And hey, now that you will be talking about yourself, do try to stick to the truth.
As regards ideology I also have some questions:
Have you read ‘Mein Kampf’ by Hitler? If so, did you understand it?
Have you read ‘The Third Reich’ by Müller? If so, did you understand it?
Have you visited Dachau, or Birkenau, or Auschwitz? If so, what was your impression and feeling?
Have you been to the NSDAP documentation center in Berchtesgaden (Where Hitler used to live and where the Eagles Nest still is)? Did you view the film material collected there? If so, what did you think?
How many persons have you met that were NSDAP members back in the 30s and during the war? What did they tell you?
Have you ever met an ex-SS officer? If you did, did he seem to think that he had done a good job? What part of the Nazi era and the war did he tell you about? What did you feel about what he told you?
How many concentration camp survivors have you met? Did they show you their tattoos? Why didn’t you believe that their experiences where real?
Finally; what about John Hron? Do you understand your shared guilt in incidents like his murder?