Well, Duck Duck Goose. I’m waiting for you to make some points. International Law is bull. I definately never voted on any of it, and neither did anyone else besides a few unelected “representatives” who have their own political agenda and only enforce this “international law” when it’s convenient for certain special interests. Case in point: Iraq’s crimes are “breaking international law”, thus needs to be invaded, even though Israel takes the cake in breaking “international laws” and gets billions a year in aid. International law is a tool for people who want one world government.
Wrong, again.
The largest groups of immigrants include within them minorities that would like to maintain their culture separate from the rest of the country (just as you do). It is entirely wrong to claim that the groups, in their entirety–or even a majority of them–wish that kind of separation. So you are actually pointing to a minority of a minority and claiming that all immigrants are creating the same problems.
Sionnach, I shall at no point engage in dabate over statistics with you. Nor shall I fight any cite wars with you. The reason is simple, you do not fight fair and you brandish lies. I will instead let your own words speak for themselves:
Need I say more than what you did yourself? Your view is skewed.
Whatever you say.
Who are you arguing with? I don’t recall saying any of that. I quote myself:
Get it? I wasn’t claiming that every White Nationalist is a violent skinhead. Do you deny that they, like you, embrace the same basic ideology?
What you pass of as conclusions from what I didn’t say will have to stand for itself as far as stupidity goes.
A friend killed by a gang is cliché? Wow you do have some skewed standards as for what is normality there!
Ah the famous hen and egg of escalating violence. You have to love the cause and effect arguments. Nonwiithstanding you now do admit that ‘white boys’ also engaged in gang related violence and crime. That’s good. So you and yours aren’t any better in the end after all.
Strange. She grew up in America as in the US if I understand correctly. California to be specific, right? Hmmm, how did she and hers get there? Or were they of a red-skinned whale hunting family? Must be tough to hate yourself so much.
See this is the way it is. I have never called you a Nazi and I won’t. Nazis belong to the NSDAP and must by definition be Germans and to boot it doesn’t really fly if you are German today. The NSDAP ideology is so very oriented to its time and circumstance that calling anyone that wasn’t around then and there a Nazi would be a lie. That being said, your ideology fetches all of its meat and bones from the books I previously mentioned, with the parts about Germanism struck out.
I shall continue to extend the courtesy to you that I have so far and shall not brandish you a Nazi. I will use the commonly used epithets for your ideology and continue to call you a White Nationalist, an Aryan Brotherhood follower, a racist, a Racial Nationalist, a White Supremacist or as it would also be known a neo-Nazi. Any other you feel like adding to the list just tell me.
[Here I omit lots of babble that I will not comment on for reasons mentioned many times in this thread and the opening of this post]
I am no great friend of the environmentalists for that very reason. That being said I don’t equate a Green Party voter with Extreme Environmentalism for the same reasons that I do not equate a voter for the Democrats with Stalinists or a GOP voter with you.
You cannot be that stupid. I’ll rephrase for you: National laws that are shared by most countries. Deportation of residents and nationals, forced removal of the same, seizure of property for reason of ethnicity, unequal rights between citizens etc. etc. is illegal in Canada, in the US, all over the EU and so on. You advocate it. Hence you advocate breaking the fundamental laws of the land.
See above.
Show me the violent fringe of the mainstream right and left wing parties in America and the EU.
See above.
As I said I will not debate your twisted and sick delusions. I will however clarify my own stand as you take some care to misrepresent me. I am all for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, it is my only deeply held set of morals, with the caveat that I believe that it needs to be amended to include freedom of movement across national borders. Beyond that hold views that in the US would probably be considered fiscally conservative and a socially liberal.
Sparc
Actually, I pointed out some notable aspects of European culture in the previous iteration of this thread, but I doubt you noticed. I also find it interesting that you have not yet mentioned any laudable examples of European art and literature that, in your opinion, best illustrate the superiority of Western European culture. I would also like to know how you differentiate between “white” European culture and Jewish contributions. In other words, what is the qualitative difference between, say, Wagner and Mendelssohn that reflects their different heritages? What is the difference between Cole Porter and George Gershin?
Moreover, can you explain what makes, say, Blake superior to Basho? What is it that the works of Poussin or Goya have that the art of Hiroshige or Hokusai lack? Can you explain the elements of the novels of William Wright, Toni Morrison, Wole Soyinka, Naguib Mahfouz, or Chinua Achebe that marks them as inferior to, oh, John Updike or D. H. Lawrence?
I dare you to mention three European novelists, painters, or composers, their most well-known works, and give a brief review of each. I really bet that you couldn’t give a point-by point comparison to the works of three non-European writers, painters, or composers.
Uh huh. :rolleyes: Look, the only people who truly don’t understand the concept of “international law”, the only people who would say something dumb like, “I didn’t vote for it, so it’s bull” are the people who are truly “ignorant”, in the sense of “not having information”. For the rest of the grownups here, “international law” is real, it is valid, it is worthy. It’s not a “tool” for the One World Government Conspiracy.
We all “get it”. Sorry you don’t.
So, you apparently didn’t “get” my point about fairness? You don’t see that you were being unfair to the people in this thread who have been trying–God knows why–to have a civilized conversation with you?
Okay, you think we’re being unfair to you? How about running this past your bullshit detector: the most fundamental “unfairness” of all, that of unthinking bigotry and prejudice, which is where you judge ALL members of a race, religion, or creed by the actions of a FEW members.
Watch this:
The EXACT SAME WAY it’s “unfair” for us to judge you, the avowed White Supremacist, by the actions of a few other White Supremacists, it’s “unfair” for YOU to judge all the people with black and brown skins by the actions of a FEW people with black and brown skins.
It’s JUST as unfair for you to say that ALL the Somalis should be kicked out of Lewiston because SOME people with black skins are drug dealers and gang members, as it is for US to say that ALL White Supremacists should be kicked off these boards because a FEW White Supremacists advocate killing Jews.
Now, tell me this computes. Please. Tell me it’s processing.
Erratum:
Ack, it should be Richard Wright!
International law is a body of judicial precedents and compacts among nations, for example, the Law of the Sea or the Geneva Convention, that govern international relations. Individual citizens are not required to vote on international agreement;s that is why we live in a representative democracy.
Young lady, you need to go back to school because you are desperately uninformed about the world in which you live.
DDG, I think we should have it tattooed on her forehead.
No, your ideology stems from a belief that “western civilization”–which you have utterly refused to define–must be isolated and sterilized. “Civilization” is not a snapshot in time and place, not even that remarkably inaccurate image you have in your head of the 1950s (god, I detest nostalgia based on ignorance). Civilization is a living, breathing, growing, and ever-adapting thing. It incorporates the new, it discards the obsolete, and it just keep chugging along on its merry way, despite the best efforts of a handful of xenophobes, technophobes, and plain 'ol ignoramuses to cut off its air supply and cram it in a gift-warpped box. Good luck with all that.
When I lived in Russia, one guy I knew was a dedicated Stalinist. Pretty nice guy, except that he was completely insane when it came to economics and politics. I mean, he had no conception of reality whatsoever when it came to anything outside his day-to-day life. So he’d dress up in all his Communist regalia and go down to Red Square on Nov. 1 to celebrate the 1917 revolution with a couple dozen other loonies and some ancient pensioners, and he’d kill a bottle of vodka with you and tell you everything you ever needed to know about why Trotsky had to die. He even had a thing for Jews, just like you.
But of course, the whole rest of the world had discarded that particular flavor of idiocy forty years earlier, and there was no chance at all that it was ever coming back. So even though his dearly-held beliefs were idiotic and repugnant, it just came off as laughable and pathetic.
Rather like you, actually. Your view of the world is so skewed that it’s impossible to take you and your ilk seriously. And just like my Stalin-loving Russian acquaintance, there’s no chance whatsoever that your ideas are ever going anywhere, which is precisely what makes the whole “debate” so amusing. This battle was finished long ago, but you’re still ranting and raving like anybody but you and your loony friends take anything you say seriously. Hey look, everybody! It’s a real live Nazi! Wow, I thought they went extinct years ago.
Take a look down at your feet, Sionnach. See what that is? It’s the ashheap of history. Do take the trouble to remind yourself from time to time that’s where you’re located, and that it’s up to you to walk away from that ashheap.
Most interracial crime is non-white on white. Do you dispute that?
How is my view skewed? I know what a “multicultural society” really is. He does not, since he grew up in a majority white city. That “multicultural society” is what leftists want to impose in every white community in the world. I happen to think that multicultural societies are inherently unstable and violent. I don’t want the Balkanization of the US and Canada. Multiculturalists relish the thought.
Many groups and religions embrace the same basic ideology without all being guilty of the violent crimes of those that break the law. Your logic paints pro-life activists with abortion clinic bombers.
Yes, it is. Unless you live in some gated suburb and go to a private school, harassment and violence against whites by ethnic gangs is common in some places.
Before the rise of mestizo gangs, white boys never grouped up in that way. Even afterward, they never did it to nearly the same extent as the mestizos. White gangs were absent in school, while mestizo gangs and wanna-be gangs were all over the place.
My family were white-skinned small ranch owners.
No, it does not. My ideology fetches it’s meat and bones from Death of the West, The Bible, My Awakening, Culture of Critique, and various articles by writers like Sobran and American Renaissance. I don’t believe in the strong statism of NS. I believe in the return to a loose confederacy of independent states who can democratically make their own laws regarding issues like immigration and what is taught in schools while only paying federal taxes for a common military defense. If a state wants to secede and form their own nation, I believe in that right. Is this “evil”?
So you dismiss their entire cause because of fringe activists? That doesn’t show much independence of thought on your part. All someone has to do is infiltrate a group and do something violent and you’ll be turned off to that group forever.
I advocate changing the laws. Weed activists advocate changing anti-drug laws. Are they “evil” too? I thought the point of democracy was rule by the people. What’s the point of this if they aren’t allowed to try and change the laws of their nation to support their interests as natives of that country?
That’s such a brave stand to take. Don’t you know that by getting rid of all borders, everyone from lesser civilizations will automatically flood better ones to the point where the people who built that superior civilization will be displaced by people who are only coming along for a free ride, thus causing the civilization they built to be permanently hijacked and subverted? Do you think the Scots in Scotland should be displaced by Chinese?
Chinese already have a big land mass to live on. So do Africans and mestizos. Why must they occupy every inch of north american and european territory and take control of our governments as well? Shouldn’t there be somewhere where people of European descent can live that they can call their own and where they won’t be a minority in a few decades?
It just struck me that Sionnach has informed us that she is in matrimonial union with another White Supremacist. As such there is little hope for her. She has entered into the never-never land of adult neo-Nazis.
Not that I thought that we would ever sway her views on this board, but with that knowledge in hand it is also very improbable that what we say and show could ever sow the grains of reason that would take fruit when younger girls leave the movement after they break up with their bull, as is usual for the sub-culture in question.
Sorry for you Sionnach, but it seems your life has already set out on a path of wanton waste and hopeless loss. I still hope that one day you’ll get over it all and realize that life is too short to bear grudges to whole population groups.
Good luck getting over your trauma.
If you feel that you have doubts in the future. Come back to this board and ask some questions. You don’t realize it right now, but some (most) of the people you have interacted with here are extremely bright and wise. Many have had trying times in their past just like you. All are dedicated to reason and truth. Just think about it. On what other message bard would you have been able to enjoy the civility that you have received here? Where else do so many people bother to actually address your points with factual and measured arguments instead of shouting you down and insulting you.
You have been graced and you don’t even know it – sad.
Once again I wish you the utmost luck on the long and difficult journey that lies ahead. I hope you learn to get over your fear one day.
Sparc
Ashheap.
I don’t want to be supreme over anyone else. I just believe that people of European descent should have their own living space that isn’t threatened with floods of immigration which will make them a minority in their own nation in the future. Somalis already have Somalia. Why must they have Maine?
International law is toothless. The reality is that might makes right, and always has been. Israel has been breaking your “international law” for decades, and nothing is done because she has “might” on her side. The US can break laws with impunity because she has might. It’s toothless and it’s nothing but a tool in the hands of those who have the “might” to impose their will.
The topic of “superiority” of western civilization is a red herring by people who try to claim that I want to be “supreme” over everyone else, which is why I don’t want to bother getting into arguements between Western Civ vs Eastern Civ, etc. I think both have worthy attributes, but I prefer the West. If the West is flooded with people from vastly different cultures, it will no longer be Western Civilization. I support the right of Japan to retain cultural integrity also, along with every other country.
Do you think Germany will resemble Germany at all if it were majority Fundamentalist Muslim? I don’t think so. I think Germany would be a Muslim country if that happened, not a Western Christian one. You seem to think that the only impact of immigration is a mix of restaurants and “harmless ideas”, without thinking of the importance of demographics and clashes between extremely different cultures.
No, I don’t. How many times do I have to say that I support trade and free flow of ideas? I just don’t think that we should all be minorities in our own countries, and that any immigration into our countries should be done with respect and consideration of the demographics and wishes of the current inhabitants. Flooding a majority Christian nation with Muslims is a recipe for disaster, not peace.
So you’re saying that the only place a person of European descent should be allowed to live where they won’t be a minority in their own nation is in the grave? I don’t think that’s very tolerant of you.
He’s not a white supremacist, and neither of us are neo-nazis. It’s obvious that you didn’t even read my replies. Instead, you want to make patronizing “ADL” type speeches.
That’s exactly the way it’s happening now, sweetie. We take another vote on this next week, btw, just like we do every couple years. So what’s your fucking problem?
Of course, see if we ever let your traitorous pseudo-Canadian ass back into this country.
I said ashheap, not grave. But it’s not a question of “allowing” you to live minority-free. What you’re asking for is to exile and/or kill everybody you don’t like. If you want to shuffle on off to Antarctica, be my guest. You have no right whatsoever to determine who may live on property that does not belong to you personally.
Don’t worry. I would never want to be anywhere near the current mess of a state called “Texas”. California was bad enough. As if the almighty “SDMB” members are on some council of immigration, anyway 
This is not true. If white communities could set their own laws to not allow floods of immigration, there would not be anyone to kill and exile. It’s multiculturalists who want to force their ways on every white community in the world. I would never go to a neighborhood in Japan/Mexico/Africa and demand they let me move there.
We don’t take kindly to idiots in Texas. That’s why we keep having to exile them to D.C.
You’re too late. They’re already here. So, you’re happy to let them all stay, right?