Dammit, back at’cha. Make that “bullet hole,” not hold. :smack:
I’m convinced it was the shooter!
Then why, pray tell, wouldn’t they poison him with something that leaves no trace? Better yet, have him assasinated in private and frame Lee Harvey Oswald?
Why in Og’s name would they have him assasinated in broad daylight, in front of crowds of witnesses, some of whom were filming the event, and then not bother to get the bullet trajectory right, in effect botching the entire assasination while it was being captured on film?
Why not get two shooters in the book depository to kill him? Why not blow up the motorcade? Why not expose him to large amounts of carcinogens? Why not do anything rational, as opposed to the monumental screwup this assasination would rate as were it truly a conspiracy?
Why not make a post with rational assumptions?
In the first place, I didn’t propose this scenario. As I said, if you had been paying attention to what you were reading, that it was a theory that has become accepted along with the Mafia explanation for who was likely responsible for the assassination.
I can think of all sorts of reasons why most of the methods you asked about weren’t used, but it’s clear I would be talking into a dead phone. I’m sure anyone reading this thread with an open mind would see there are holes in your propositions that one could drive a truck through.
:dubious: Pot. Kettle. Black.
I was just pointing out the absurdity of the “conventional wisdom,” not holding you accountable for those arguments.
I was responding to:
I see. My apologies…although I do stand by the hypotheses I outlined above as to how it was that Kennedy was shot.
But the glove didn’t fit!!
Check out the book Penn & Teller’s How To Play With Your Food. They have a chapter regarding the JFK assassination, and shot 20-30 melons wrapped in fiberglass with the same rifle Osald used, and photographed the results with high-speed cameras.
Every single time, the “head” lurched towards the shooter. The bullet makes a big exit wound as it goes out, dragging bits of matter with it, and the ensuing “jet” pushes the target back towards the source.
The fun never stops! Did you happen to see the part where I said I thought Oswald could very well have fired the shot that hit Connally?
Are you aware (the scientific methods Penn & Teller employed and their accuracy notwithstanding) that this statement is a contradiction unto itself, and in a couple of ways? First of all, if the exit wound creates a “jet” and pushes the target backwards, would not Kennedy’s head have “lurched” forward to the right and in a downward direction since the Zapruder film clearly shows Kennedy’s exit wound blowing blood and bone and brain matter upward, backward and to his left?
And as I said before, if his head had “lurched,” his body would have followed. The Zapruder film clearly shows Kennedy’s head and body mass being driven upwardly and to the rear toward his left. A lurching head would have snapped forward or backward similar to whiplash, not to the upper left rear while simultaneously pulling the body along with it.
Further, if Oswald were the one who fired the head shot, Kennedy’s head did not travel back toward Oswald, as would have been the case according to what Penn & Teller apparantly said. His head movement was up, back and to the left. How could this happen, even under Penn & Teller’s highly questionable hypothsis, given that the bullet, if fired by Oswald, came from way high up and to the right?
And what’s this watermelon wrapped in fiberglass hooey? What authority said such an object would accurately mimic a human head hit by a high-speed rifle bullet.
And finally, what about the post of John Carter of Mars based on his own experiences as a hunter, to wit: "The Zapruder film makes it hard for me to believe that the only bullets came from Oswald’s direction. I’ve shot enough animals to know that tissue bits get blown out in the same direction the bullet was traveling, not back towards the shooter.
I’ve never observed a “reflex action” in which an animal shot in the head jerks in any direction, as the many foot-pounds of energy involved in a hit by a high powered rifle pretty much prevent normal muscle/nerve reactions."
Excuse me, I meant to say “would *not *have followed…”
You keep talking about how the Zapruder film “clearly” shows something. Take a look at this frame of the film and tell me which way the body mass is flying.
Folks, there seem to be two possibilities here. Either you’re getting your collective chains pulled–and I invite you to consider the possibility, since he’s posting the same old crap that’s been demonstrated to be completely false time after time, without even bothering to acknowledge the well-known rebuttal evidence–or you’re attempting to argue with somebody who is quite beyond rational analysis of the topic.
Anyone inclined to believe that anyone but Oswald acting alone was responsible for the Kennedy assasination should read this thread:
I know the JFK assassination conspiracy theories have been beaten to death but…
It is, I believe, minty green’s finest hour on the SDMB. After the thorough refutations he posted in that thread, I am quite sympathetic to him not wanting to do so once again.
I realized I was wrong and no properly prepared to argue my thread properly.
Thanks for the endorsement, Dewey, but you missed a few other old assassination threads.
Some questions about the JFK assassination (October 2002)
Kennedy Assassination Recreation (October 2001)
Any Kennedy conspiracy theorists in here? (January 2001)
JFK Assassination Theories (August 2000 & August 2001)
I’m sure there are various others floating around too.
Doctor Hunter S. Thompson once told his son that he shot Kennedy.
Who wants to set the betting odds…? 
Hey…the little smilie looks like Dr. Thompson…
The obvious problem, to anybody who has been to Dealey Plaza and stood on the manhole in question, is that the geometry is all wrong. Elm Street is level past the Book Depository, then drops down towards the manhole before leveling off in order to run under the overpass. To an observer in the storm drain the car starts off tilted away from you, even if you can see it due to the curve of the road. Intitially you’re trying to shoot at a guy who’s sitted in far corner of a car that’s above you and who’s surrounded by 4 people in front of him, none of whom are hit. (Connelly is to the left of the shot you’re trying to make, unlike to someone shooting from the 6th floor “sniper’s nest”.) You’re either firing through the car or the windscreen, but neither later shows damage from shots from the front. Wait till a bit later and the car tilts towards you, but it’s then almost on top of you. You can shoot at the radiator if you want to. And all this ignores the earlier cars in the motorcade and the outriders.
I doubt that a shooter from the manhole would even have seen Kennedy at all during the shooting.
By comparison, stationing someone on the grassy knoll is almost rational.
This ignores the somewhat basic fact that nobody in the vicinity ever thought that the shots were from the manhole and so ever had to take this hypothetical decision whether to pursue this non-existant gunman.
Oswald, and he acted alone.
It’s interesting that you select a frame showing the exact instant of impact, before the exploding material follows its natuaral path. Try showing the frames that follow up to the point where Kennedy’s shoulder goes up to the boot.