One day I am going to write down a list of instructions for myself when posting. On the list I will write: "Don’t use “all” unless referring to a brand of laundry detergent because someone will have to point out how it wasn’t really “all”.
No, I don’t think they need permission but in their tiny, little reptilian brains - sorry, that’s insulting to reptiles - in their tiny, little, petty, Republican masses of quivering jelly that passes for their brains they are thinking “Hey, he called me a liar first! He started it! Now he’s asking for it! I know you are but what am I?! Nyaahh, nyahh, nyahh!”.
Is that better?
Okay, that said, I don’t think all this partisan bullshit is going to stop until someone takes the higher road. Yes, Obama showed a lot of restraint, maybe a lot more than the naysayers deserved, but the only way to make them look worse is to keep nicely pointing out how wrong they are without using actual personal insults. Attack the message, not the messengers. Call what they say a lie but don’t call them weaselly, mealy-mouthed liars, liars, pants on fires, even if it is true. Let us do that.
No. Your requirements are ridiculous. ‘This guy fucked up, therefore now he has to support things that are the opposite of what he believes in to show he’s sorry that he fucked up’ is not a logical stance to take on the issue.
I’m with you in that he hasn’t gone far enough. I’m with Bricker in that the most appropriate thing he can do at this point is say he’s sorry not only because he was rude, but also that he’s incorrect. That what Obama was saying was not a lie.
I didn’t say he has to, just that it would be a nice way for him to actually show some contrition. As things stand, I don’t believe a word of his forced apology, and no one else should either. That being the case, he needs to be punished for breaking the rules.
Why is it reasonable to expect that Obama’s immigration reform is going to be or include an amnesty? The last amnesty was under Reagan and if it was politically unpalatable and impossible under George W. Bush, it stands to reason it would be equally if not more so impossible now.
Well, for myself i tend to agree with you about the Presidency itself. Personally, i tend to think that the office itself deserves no more, and no less, respect than the person occupying it merits. If the person in the office is a dunce, it reflects on the office itself; if the person is a liar, that also reflects on the office; same if the person is brilliant and wise.
I said some pretty disrespectful things about Bush when he was President, and it was because i felt that his very presence made the office a joke and an embarrassment. I’m sure there are people who feel the same way about Obama.
This particular case, for me, is more about what Dio said:
If this had been some schmuck at a regular Presidential speech, i’d have no problem with it. But the President was addressing both Houses of Congress, in their own Chamber. That requires a level of decorum appropriate to the occasion. The members don’t have to blow smoke up the President’s ass by giving him a standing ovation every three minutes. In fact, i was critical of members for doing just that during some of Bush’s State of the Union Addresses. But they should shut the fuck up and let him speak without catcalling like 15-year-olds. And that goes for both Dems and Pubs.
Thank you. I think reasonable men can disagree reasonably on whether censure is appropriate – though I find it wryly amusing, as I hope you will agree, that you just went on record as agreeing with Nancy Pelosi over ]b]Bricker** on a political issue.
Friend Bricker has made remarkable progress as he stumbles away from the path of political error. Largely my own influence, though no doubt the rest of you had some minor effect…
How do you people post this kind of thing with a straight face?
The notion that Diogenes is going to react to anything political on a more sophisticated basis than “Dem - good! Repub - bad!” is ludicrous.
I know it is all well and good to call people names who decline the Flavor-Aid, but come on - I am not so gullible that I am going to swallow this kind of thing.
I know you folks are good at kidding yourselves, but you really aren’t so good at convincing anyone who hasn’t already fallen for it.
“Come on! You guys like eating dogshit too, right? Yeah, I bet you do, when nobody’s looking! No way I’m the only one… aw, you’re all just trying to make me feel bad!”
The clear winner of the speech is Rob Miller, who’s coffers now have over half a million dollars for his campaign! I’m sure, since he’s a well-brought-up Southern boy, that he will be sending Joe Wilson a nice thank you note.
