…well. I guess if you really are Jesus you would know what your word says. In fact, when it comes to being angry about people disrespecting the Heavenly Father, you know first hand that your Word teaches to “be angry and sin not”–Ephesians 4:26. I was aware I was being angry with some people, but I didn’t not realize I was sinning against them as well. I know you will forgive me though, because you love me, and you know from experience about how hard it is to control emotion and actions when you get angry… remember the time when your Father’s House was made into a den of thieves? Remember all the money tables you flipped over? Remember all the commotion you caused? Yet you didn’t sin in your moment of anger and rage. You, Jesus Christ, are truly worthy of admiration and are truly worth believing in. thank you, Lord Jesus, for dying for my sins and preparing an eternal life for me and my family and friends to spend with you!
p.s. that message was for the real Jesus, kid. I hope you had fun playing your little game of conviction. it didn’t work but… it was an amusing attempt for a non-believer to try to bring guilt upon a believer. oh… and how do I know that you’re a non-believer? the user name gave it away… oooh… yeahh… sorry… better luck with someone who is ignorant.
uhm… by the way. how old are you? I honestly hope you’re younger than 12… 'cause it would be kind of pathetic if you were any older and doing this. I believe a lack of maturity reveals so much ignorance in a person.
And the rest of the time, where the tumor kills its victim? What then? God just likes to keep people guessing, I suppose, keeping his miracles indistinguishable from statistical noise because he’s got a great sense of humor and insists that faith be completely unjustified because then it’s even more faithfully delicious? What a crock.
No, no, no! Zeus lives. After all, either Homer was lying, crazy, or right. He never said anything crazy (nothing like virgin birth or changing humans into animals or anything like that), and he said obviously good things like “Don’t kidnap other people’s wives”, and he clearly wouldn’t have said those things if he was lying. So, the Greek gods exist. In fact, exactly the same reasoning can be applied to Mohammed, Joseph Smith, and pretty much every other religious prophet. Keep in mind, most of us here don’t consider the Bible as any better authority than the Iliad or Gilgamesh.
So, what’s so great about faith? It’s gives you certainty. But what if what you’re so certain about is wrong? Clearly, people who go on faith can be wrong; people who believed in the Greek gods were apparently wrong, weren’t they? I mean, either they were wrong, or you are. So clearly, faith leads some people down the wrong path. How do you know you’re not one of them?
The only way I can think of is to, well, check. See if what your faith tells you corresponds with the real world. That would be science. Maybe you trust your faith more than science, but what’s the last tangible thing faith gave you? Science gives us cars, airplanes, television, computers… Faith has given us, what? Lack of use of condoms? So, science hasn’t discovered everything yet, and probably never will. Some is better than none. What your omniscient creator says doesn’t really matter unless it could be verified.
How do you know that science will never figure out how the mind works? We haven’t figured it out yet, so we never will? And we’ve already made enormous amounts of progress in that area. If we had no idea how the brain worked, we wouldn’t be able to make drugs that help mental disorders. Ask my dad, Prozac is great for his depression.
Why do you think your god exists, but these ones don’t?
hmmm… that statement says a lot about you “rubberneckers”. Instead of doing something to help better the situation you just stand around and watch and get in the way of the people actually trying to help and you just make the situation much, much worse. Hey… you said it, not me.
that’s because you don’t value a human life. you just want to see their brains splattered over the asphalt so you can sigh a sigh of relief that it was them and not you.
sigh.
lol. let’s see who can stick this out the longest. I’m sure you may have been on this website for a while, assassinated innocent religious threads that were created for good conversation, and watched people cave in under the pressure of unnecessarily rude comments made about their intelligence because they believe in the Holy Trinity, or at least a force greater than Scientific fact… but i’m telling you now… I’ve seen intelligent conversation regarding the topic, and it certainly wasn’t a contribution from you.
yup. Yessir. This has been my first day on StraightDope. oh hey wait… I thought StraightDope fought ignorance? then why do so many people post ignorant replies, not backed with any of their precious “scientific fact” when it comes to debating God? Scientific fact hasn’t, can’t, and won’t prove the existence if God… but then again it hasn’t, can’t and sure won’t prove that He doesn’t exist.
oh yeah? so tell me… how is your personal relationship with Jesus? I hope it’s good… because honestly… whispers that wasn’t really Jesus, that was an impostor! I know the voice of my Heavenly Father and that didn’t sound like my Jesus at all. Good thing I let you know before he fooled you anymore, huh?
xD
this is actually getting pretty fun. I realize that I can bust balls without being rude or insulting! this has made a 180 degree turn… I was irritated with posts like this… but I actually have fun with them now. please notice how my replies are getting shorter! by jove!!! I’m learning!
That’s one of the features I love about Judaism. Any human being is qualified to argue with God. According to Jewish Folklore, it’s even possible to win the argument.
To the extent that it can, it has; many of the claimed feats of God violate physical law, and there’s no evidence that they ever happened.
And it’s not the job of the skeptics to prove you wrong; it’s yours to provide poof - or even just evidence - that you are right. Why should I take your baseless claims any more seriously than the millions of other baseless claims that contradict yours ? As others have said, why should we believe in God and not Zeus, or Thor, or Tezcatlipoca, or Geb, or Anu, or Agni ?
As someone scientifically trained, I can state that this hypothesis has been falsified with the evidence presented in the course of this experiment. (Which seems somewhat similar to the MST3K experiments conducted by the Mads.)
But you are arguing against the faith of the Moslem, Jew, and Hindu. A bit hypocritical, wot? And your arms too short to argue with science.
I don’t have to believe in evolution. The evidence is there, the predictions it made have been verified. On the other hand, the big Jesus prediction about returning hasn’t panned out too well, eh?
For one thing, you are totally ignorant about science. Science makes no claim to know or to have proven everything. There is a body of stuff which has convincing explanations (no proofs) and a big body of unknowns. However, we have a good idea of the structure of the brain, and the electrical and chemical explanations for things like mental illness. Your Jesus had - demons. If he had a connection to god, he might have known there are no demons.
Put your Bible down, head to the science section of the library, and try to learn something, okay? Facts are verified through reproducible experiments, and have nothing to do with belief. Your confusion about this explains your unwillingness to examine the possibility your beliefs might be wrong.
I believe that life has the purpose of looking for other sites to go and to continue. The earth is only an speck of dust and it is clear to me that we are not the end result of the creation, but only one of the steps.
It seems to me that once writing was invented religion lost the chance to progress with society by embedding ideas like slavery into their message when suddenly what it was supposed to be traditions were frozen by writing.
Oral tradition could afford the holy men of the past a chance to change the faith slowly and with very little fuss, the problem with the Abrahamic religions has been IMHO that unfortunately they decided to freeze that natural change.
So we got then a Genesis that was frozen when at the time two creation traditions (or more) were being told.
Then later even the New Testament suffered this fate when many noticed that the end was not near so they had to write down the new testament, so Judas then had to die twice and in different circumstances.
But getting back to the plan 9 from outer space :), I have news from you, the Apocalypse was allowed into the bible as just an allegory when the time came to add it to the new testament. It came very close on being declared apocryphal because the history was no longer operational as Nixon would say. (The church was then taking over Rome so they could not be the beast, got that?)
As Jonah found out, what would you do when God just decided to change plans as we have seen? You are just being upset by a gourd that has withered. If god exists he is clearly not the one from the bible.
And now I have this image of Lacunas Quell as Mojo Jojo, flailing helplessly at Professor Utonium ( standing in as Science ), as the Professor holds him off with a palm to Mojo Jojo’s forehead.
You know what? The people reading this who believe as I do don’t feel the same about me as you. I know from experience how the religious and non-religious people perceive me in forums. Sure… there are more people who think I’m ignorant, uneducated, and stupid… but when it comes to the few people whose opinion about me might actually matter to me, they see someone taking a stand for what he believes in, the see him using the knowledge of what I believe and putting it to proper use, and they see a bunch of arrogant people get beat down with Biblical fact because they don’t [I[have* any “scientific fact” to refute the Bible with. All those people have is “oh uhm… I was alive between 70-150 A.D. and I hung out with the people who wrote the Bible and dude, they’re nothing but a bunch of liars… trust me”.
…seriously. I have yet seen ANYONE claiming “scientific fact” as their ultimate truth use any of this “scientific fact” or provide links or information to where I could research this elusive “scientific fact” for myself.
so… I guarantee you that the people I am intending to impress are impressed with me. I’m not trying to toot my own horn here… I’m just letting you know that while yes, not everyone is impressed with me, who even said I was here to impress anyone? Do you really think I give two sh!ts about impressing anyone? I really don’t. I only started using the shift key so people would stfu about it. The only people who even would complain about such a pointless thing aren’t even the people I want to talk to. I’ve enjoyed the two posts I’ve shared with Kanicbird more than all the other posts combined. Kanic is the kind of person I’m here to talk to. I just don’t want to ignore anyone’s post, and in the one day since I’ve been on this website, I’ve only gotten to page two because of all the time I spend telling you people off for making absurd and ignorant remarks. I created my account early yesterday morning… and I’ve been up since 1:15 p.m… this PAST SATURDAY. I’ve almost been up for 36 hours had this account for about 24 hours now, and for all the people who said that no one would care about what I had to say. You were wrong. You all are the biggest hypocrites, with the exception of two, three, maybe four people. You continue to read my posts… you continue to reply to them… and you continue to get a response from me… and quite frankly, I’m prepared to go another 12 hours without sleep just to reply to people like my good ol’ buddy 3rdDimension here… just so I can tell you, one more time, and in fact i’d better spell it out for you this time.
I a-m n-o-t t-r-y-i-n-g t-o i-m-p-r-e-s-s A-N-Y-O-N-E!!!
I am trying to prove that you can keep hurling your insults, you can keep attempting to bring me down, you can keep telling me my faith is in vain, you can continue to nag and bitch and complain about the way i like to type… but you know what!? I’m gonna prove to you I can take it. After all… you all just keep hurling words at me. That’s all. You don’t hit me up with fact, you rarely hit me up with personal opinions or beliefs, and you most certainly do the only thing that makes you look ignorant and that is to continue to come to my posts with nothing good to say.
I was about to delete all this and just stop replying to people. from now on I will only be replying to the people whom I have had good conversation with and I’m going to stop wasting my time having petty arguments with people who can act VERY immature.
I think what I really want right now is sleep.
Yeah… I joined yesterday… and I wanted to watch Snnipe scramble to fix his typographical errors… Because I really didn’t care, I haven’t checked to see what he fixed, but he did it. AND I DON’T CARE.
As a Jew, a follower of the God Of Abraham- I see somebody who knows nothing of science, isn’t communicating well, and is having his ass handed to him by the other side of the debate.
Hi Lacunas. I asked you a simple question. You keep asserting that you are intelligent. If so, it shouldn’t be too hard for you to answer a simple question.
I think he is getting the impression that I’m replying just for him.
Science is just a part of it, history is another, cites are available for what I have mentioned regarding the bible.
So far it is clear that you are willing to ignore on purpose that science knows about spontaneous cancer remissions, but you are happy to tell others that that is not possible. I’m just happy to point that to all others. After all, some could read your rants and possibly think they could be worth something.
And you really do not want to agree with **kanickbird ** unless you also agree that it is the fault of the unborn if they turn into a stillbirth.