I’m sure “the Democrats” would love to hear any ideas you guys have.
Many believe that this is why Biden and his team decided to offer to debate Trump in just a few weeks (next month, in fact). It’s making history as the earliest televised Presidential debate since they began. Biden and his advisors are obviously confident that he can show up Trump with a combination of energy and ability to address issues.
(And thank all that’s holy for the rule that microphones will be turned off during the other guy’s answer. Some, me among them, believe Trump won’t show up when he finally figures out that he’s agreed to this.)
I’m still amazed at all the weird claims in this thread:
Clearly everyone posting here has a perfect right to their opinions. But those opinions would be more likely to be entertained by others if the opinions were less sweepingly unsupported.
Those are all snapshots that indicate that the race is competitive and that not every voter is convinced to vote for Biden. This will probably always be the case. What, specifically, is Biden doing wrong, and what, specifically, should he be doing differently?
On the other hand we have “Trump is obviously flawed and dangerous, anyone competent could beat him. Biden is not beating him (currently). Biden is not competent.”
AFAICT the only thing you offered, and you’ve felt this way long before any actual '24 campaigning was done, is that Biden should not be the nominee. And then a bunch of your feelings about why you think Biden sucks.
Could you clarify what you’d like me to clarify or what I said that’s unsupported?
I don’t speak for, or even agree with the others you’ve quoted
On the other hand, what if they can’t? What if their criticism of Biden is baseless and uninformed, and their expectations of what he can do are not possible to achieve given the actual powers of the office of the president?
What then?
I agree with this! So let’s see evidence that he’s being a “lazy politician”. Just to note – polling is not evidence of this. Complaints of individual voters is, at most, minuscule evidence of this; we could cite praise from individual voters (such as myself and other participants of this thread) that Biden is doing fine, as equally strong evidence against it. Pundit opinions aren’t evidence of anything beyond the opinion of that pundit.
I just can’t imagine Biden, trailing in the polls, has decided to phone it in. He knows what’s at stake better than all of us. Maybe he can pull it off, Maybe he can’t. But I see no evidence he isn’t going to try.
But what if he does hear them out, and decides their demands are unrealistic and unworkable? What then?
Yes. I was referring to the portion of your post that I quoted in the post to which you replied. Specifically:
I didn’t quote your entire sentence because what I hoped you would provide supportive evidence of was your claim that Biden is being “dismissive” of particular people (no matter who they are).
I get that some are citing a recent comment of Hillary’s as evidence that she is “dismissive” of particular people. I don’t agree with that interpretation, but I’m not asking about Hillary, because she’s not running for President.
I’m asking you for evidence to support your claim that Biden is being “dismissive.”
The other thing to remember is that it’s May. I’m perfectly content for him to ramp up slowly: very little he can do between now and September will matter as much as what he does in October and early November.
In the meantime, there’s kind of a lot going on with Trump. Might as well see what happens there and shape strategy accordingly.
Or maybe it’s a sign you’re judging this based on your own feelings rather than actual facts.
Indeed. Your own imagination is just as convincing as that other internet stranger’s!
That’s fair. You’re right to ask, and thanks for keeping me honest. I don’t have any concrete evidence, and I apologize for making it sound as if I did. I really wasn’t trying to be a jackass. I shouldn’t post after eating edibles, but I think what I was referring to was this:
Which doesn’t really implicate what I claimed, so you’re right, I shouldn’t have included Biden.
As far as Hillary is concerned. I don’t know if “dismissive” is the right word to use. Condescending maybe? What would you call it? In my opinion, she should know better after 2016. She talks down to young people in her interview with Joe Scarborough about Israel. I don’t know. I think she should know better. My opinion.
Are you suggesting that Biden hasn’t been talking to Black community leaders at all? Or is it specifically folks from New Era that he needs to meet with?
You asked, “What if they have really good arguments, and Biden ignores them?” I asked, “What if they have really shitty arguments, and Biden humors them?” How is mine sillier than yours?
So, just to recap: A question for all the Biden supporters here:
Are you of the opinion that his campaign is already doing all it can to win, and nothing further can be done to improve his odds of winning?
If Biden loses, are you going to say, “He did the best he could, nothing could have averted this defeat?”
Again, not being combative - I seriously get the impression that most Biden supporters are “yes” to both questions.
It’s impossible to know. I hope so, and considering his record so far (success as a candidate in '20, and some surprising success in legislative gains as president), I’m reasonably confident his team is smarter and more capable at politics than anyone on the Dope, but there’s no way to know for sure, and probably no way to have even the slightest idea until after election day.
In the context of the conversation in which she said it, I’d call it ‘pragmatic’ and ‘reasonable.’
Your question was fair, but you’d probably agree that it’s a sidetrack. I’ll just offer a link so that people can revisit the remark if they want to. (It took place during an interview she did with Jimmy Fallon on the Tonight Show.)
I don’t share your impression. You might get agreement about ‘most Biden supporters’ if your formulations were less absolute. But “nothing could have averted this defeat” and “nothing further can be done to improve his odds of winning” are much more extreme positions than, I’d guess, ‘most’ Biden supporters would take.
My position right now is that for several years, Biden has generally been underestimated, by myself, other Democrats, his opponents, and the media. Again and again he’s generally done better electorally (if we count '22 as well as '20) and in governing then expected, AFAICT.
Right now, I see no reason to believe that, all of a sudden, his critics are correct, when they’ve usually been wrong before.
IMO. No certainty, just opinion. And AFAICT it’s just opinion that has been offered the other way.