I pay a lot of attention to politics. But I just haven’t seen this.
Are you claiming that this is a widespread attitude? If so, can you provide us with some links?
Nah. Just people I personally know. Perhaps it’s just my circle. Maybe I’m out of touch.
And people who are upset about Israel.
Oh boy.
Any reassessments? Currently, I think there would be a lot of blame to go around, but I can always be convinced otherwise.
He hasn’t lost yet. Maybe he will, but there are months before we’ll know.
Oh gosh. I feel worried to hold out hope…
You are correct, of course.
and how could the SCOTUS stop Trump, realistically?
Realistically, they could have enforced 14th amendment article 3 by ruling that Trump is disqualified for the presidency. Then they could have sent letters to the 50 secretaries of state, and territorial equivalents, advising them to keep him off off of their primary and general election ballots. By doing that, they would have upheld their oath of office to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.”
Would they have been criticized for making a broad ruling when a narrow one was possible? Yes. Does their oath of office say to rule narrowly? No. Does it say to defend the Constitution against domestic enemies? Yes.
I’ve heard that Roberts dislikes broad rulings. In this case, that principle goes against defending the constitution.
but that’s just words–who will enforce it is what I’m asking, since they have no enforcement power?
If a court order is defied, isn’t there is a process that could ultimately land someone in jail?
Umm, shouldn’t you have known the answer to that before you asserted that the SCotUS could have actually done something to stop Trump?
Stop him personally? No, I wrote about stopping state and territorial election officials from putting his name on the ballot.
This describes the law against defying a federal court order.
When segregationist southern politicians defied court orders, Eisenhower called out the national guard. However, I do believe it would have come to that here.
remember, Andrew Jackson said just that about SCOTUS that he wasn’t going to enforce ruling in 1832 quote “John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it.”
There’s question whether Jackson really said that.
Anyway, the current president is Joe Biden. That is not his attitude.
Worst case, suppose that a few red state secretaries of state risk their personal freedom by putting Trump’s name on the ballot in defiance of a federal court order. If Trump had zero delegates from big blue states like California and New York, I cannot see him getting the nomination. DeSantis or Haley would have gotten it.
If Biden loses, the Supreme Court is too blame, among others.
I wasn’t thinking about Biden but Trump, esp if he wins again
If Trump is re-elected, and he defies a Supreme Court order, that would cement in historical judgment that SCOTUS was to blame for Biden (or another Democrat to be named) losing to constitutionally disqualified oath-breaker Donald Trump.
Another factor is that, on Monday, the Supremes will likely rule on whether Trump is immune for actions taken in office. They may put Donald above the law. We’ll see.
note that they just declared that Jan 6 did not involve proceedings since no documents were disturbed. sigh😒
No one seems to have yet said it clearly, so I will. Proper blame game analysis changed on Thursday night.
Biden’s debate performance demonstrated that if he loses, he deserves lots of blame for running when he lacks the consistent mental acuity needed to make nuclear war decisions.
For similar reasons, Trump is also to blame.
If Biden loses to Trump, the Supreme Court also deserves lots of blame for violating their oath to defend the constitution against a domestic enemy, Donald Trump.
As to whether general election voters are to blame, not so much. Voters who are well-informed may deserve blame, but a plurality of those will vote for the Democratic ticket. I do not think the average low info voter, who prefers reading novels and hobby magazines, to daily newspapers and nonfiction, or is stopped from doing much of either by time spent on childcare, or elder care, or juggling multiple jobs, is to blame. They are mostly good people who did not deserve to be presented with unacceptable choices.
Remind me when it was that Biden suggested that a really good way to deal with fucking hurricanes was to nuke them?
Regarding the last post, my sentence, immediately after the one quoted, addresses your good point. Neither man has any business having sole authority over nuclear weapons decisions.
P.S. The sentence was “For similar reasons, Trump is also to blame.”
Post debate: If Biden loses - and again, that’s a big if - there’ll probably be three factors to blame:
- RBG Syndrome all over again. An elderly liberal who refuses to step aside, thinking she/he still has it in them (or is determined to milk it to the max) and ends up costing their side a SCOTUS seat/the White House. Putting personal interest ahead of the interest of party/nation.
- The DNC’s toe-the-line, circle-the-wagon, stick-to-the-status-quo, don’t-change, punish-those-who-dissent, say-the-emperor-is-wearing-nice-clothes culture.
- The media for punishing Biden’s slurred speech and slow brain more than it punished Trump’s blatant lying.