It’s amazing, Satire has existed for how many centuries, and the stupids always get offended by it as if the Satirist is actually promoting the ideals they are parodying. Sigh.
I’m still angry over that whole Jonathan Swift baby-eating thing. 
It depends on who you ask. The path for a lot of Israelis is army -> travel -> college. To the point where they are the 2nd or 3rd most common nationality for travelers in this bracket. These are the travelers that have a very bad reputation amongst service providers and fellow travelers. I’m guessing Expedia surveyed higher end lodgings, and didn’t ask the guy with $5 rooms in Goa.
I doubt much antisemitism is tied to them, but they are very bad ambassadors for their country.
I’ve had sushi where they snip the fish’s nervous system at the base of the skull and then carve and eat the sushi while it is still alive.
It seems to me that religious groups that explicitly isolate themselves from their communities tend to run into this problem right or not. In order to be a real Jew you have to be born to a Jewish woman. Other religions actively recruit more members which allows them to spread more quickly and gain more connections to the community that benefits their level of acceptance. Because of the difficulty Jews have had succeeding in a gentile economy proportional to their talents they have a history that promotes businesses that are mostly Jewish and recruit from within their isolated community. Again fairly or not this fosters distrust between them and the larger society.
I am not sure that is a defining factor. See the Amish and you don’t get much more isolating than they are. We have seen some comical Amish hate threads in the early days of the board based on teenage behavior during the rumspringa but I don’t think many people in the U.S. hate or even dislike the Amish either. The number of Amish people in the U.S. (about 250,000) is higher than the population of Jews in the vast majority of the countries in the world.
I’ve heard some fairly anti-Amish things said by non-Amish people who live in Amish country. They definitely don’t have the “don’t know any of them, but I hate them for X reason!” thing that Jews do, though.
There was no straw man. You offered, with no explanation, (even of the parody that you appear to have misunderstood), three videos of people identified as Jews behaving badly toward Christians.
My comment directly addressed your silly attempt to equate anti-semitism for the last couple of millennia with some bad behavior by a few people.
As to Ginsberg’s thesis as presented, it is silly.* Jews have been routinely persecuted by Christians from back in the day when both groups were being persecuted by Romans and the notion that any antipathy was based on a belief by Christians that Jews were part of centuries-long associations with repressive states is risible. The antipathy came first and the “association” was tacked on, later. (That is why so many Europeans and North Americans scorn Jews simultaneously for being bankers and communists.)
Does the bad blood go back to the earliest days of Christianity? Yes. Have there been occasions when Jews attacked Christianity? Yes. Is current anti-semitism rooted in any genuine association of Jews with Islam and communism. Nope. Only in the fevered imaginations of people who went looking for purported reasons to hate Jews.
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- My memory of his book is that it only really addressed fairly recent history, mentioning some Renaissance events and then getting serious in the nineteenth century. It also focused not on general anti-semitism, so much as what has happened to Jewish power brokers when their patrons no longer had need of their services. Those events may have been used by anti-semites as one arrow in their quiver of hatred for Jews, but it hardly explains the long history of European anti-semitism any more than your own straw man claim that there is a strong theme that anti-semites are just jealous running through this thread.
As the other poster said they are even more isolated so you don’t have the perception that they’re deviously controlling economics that you do with the Jewish, (I don’t think Jews do anymore than any other rich people though I’d be hesitant to invest my family’s future on the basis of anticipated advancement in a Jewish populated company)
They also have a much longer history with the other judeochristain groups that has not gone favorably for them again because they don’t proselytize and even refuse full membership to people that seek them out. They’re not having enough kids to spread that way alone and sadly for them both the Russians and Germans set them back several generations in ww2 with their genocides.
I generally get along with Jews more than most people just based on their humor and intellectualism. I still think their religion is fairly silly though not more than any other. If you’re going to succeed as a group the bigotry of the culture you live in will unfortunately make life fairly difficult for you.
In the united states I think they’re doing just fine, in Europe and the middle east things are a lot stickier obviously.
I dunno, can it really be true that so high a proportion of backpacking kids are Israeli? Israel is really a tiny country.
That squigs me out, and I’m not kosher. :eek:
More seriously, I have no idea why not eating live animals was so significant to the redactors of the Bible, that it should be made one of the basic Noahide laws right up there with not murdering.
Huh? Should Jews hesitate to invest their family future in a “Christian populated” company?
Jews don’t “refuse full membership” to converts. There are no grades of Judaism. You are either a Jew or not. Some born Jews treat converted Jews as inferior. They are known colloquially as “assholes”. It is not part of the religion and is most definitely not socially acceptable to be an asshole like that, any more than (say) it is acceptable for most Christian congregations to treat Black fellow-Christians as second-class – even though some individuals may.
It is true that Judaism does not encourage people to convert and does not seek out converts. But once you do convert, you are as much a Jew as someone who could trace their family back to Moses.
Yes. From what I gather, every Israeli that wants to go to college has a gap between the end of their military service and the time they start college. It seems that every one of them take that time to travel to India. If you go to some of the major, more laidback/meditative, destinations in India you will see signs in the tourist areas written in Hebrew.
It was surprising to me too.
Well, I learn something new every day. 
Mind you it has been two decades since I travelled about in that manner.
Ptooey. I was not relying solely on the vids to document Jewish animosity towards Christians. Those were only examples. And, yes, Ginsberg’s book focuses mostly on relatively recent history, but it’s a pattern that’s repeated itself across millennia. Dismissing Ginsberg’s thesis as silly is just a desperate attempt to avoid facing a complicated, messy unpleasant reality about Christian-Jewish relations that you just don’t want to face. The notion that Jews have done little or nothing to antagonize gentiles both Christian and non-Christian in almost two thousand years is absurd.
If you really think there’s no connection between Jews and communism, read Yuri Slezkine’s The Jewish Century.
Argh. Okay, so the tits distracted me. Hell, I’d watched the video two times before I even noticed the damn monkey. Seeing as others on the thread fell for the gag too, I’m not as embarrassed about it as some might like, and anyway there’s still those other two vids.
In any case, I’m immensely skeptical that the Christians are solely responsible for bad relations with the Jews, seeing as animosity towards the Jews goes back to the Jewish rebellions against the pre-Christian Roman empire. The book listed above as well as Yuri Slezkine’s definitely shows that the relationship between Christians and Jews isn’t nearly as simple as many might wish. Give it a read. You’ll definitely get more insight from the books than from this thread.
Hey, you get a pass from me for that. The babe was a looker, no doubt.
Meh not impressed. Even if genuine (and given that the first was not I have some doubts), some youtube videos of Jews acting like assholes isn’t proof of, well, anything. No-one denies that some Jews can be assholes.
What is sad is that these examples are so very petty even assuming they were true. I mean really, some drunk teens acting abusively? That’s not much better than mistaking a parody for reality, proof-wise.
The same can be said of any historical circumstance. In any case where a majority population acts badly towards a minority, there is going to be some sort of background. In this case there is not far to seek as to why some Christians would (as a collective) dislike Jews (as a group): Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism and part of its very theology is that Christianity is supposed to be the next step. That Jews don’t take that step and become Christians was, historically, considered a standing rebuke, at best a stubborn persistance in error and at worst a deliberately perverse rejection of the Christian creed. That, combined with some unfortunate language in the Gospels drafted at a time when Christianity and Judaism competed directly, and combined with attitudes common at all times towards minorities (and particularly evident in Middle Ages/Reformation Europe) is enough to explain Christian attitudes towards Jews. There is no need to search elsewhere, because even if all Jews everywhere were blameless as fluffy kittens (which no-one alleges), it would probably have made no difference.
Indeed, as one would expect with any people exposed to considerable persecution, no doubt to outsiders Jews would appear clannish, unwelcoming, and sly. In Russia Jews were active in all sorts of revolutionary movements (not just Communism, but also Zionism, Anarchism, etc.). Can there be any real wonder why, when the official stance of the Russian Imperial Government of the Tsars was to repress Jews in every way possible and occasionally to organize official pogroms by Cossaks, in which Russian soldiers were encouraged to loot, rape and murder their own Jewish citizens? Joining a revolutionary movement, or emigrating, would be expected reactions to anyone with spirit to that sort of abuse.
What you sound, is defensive. There is no reason to be. Did “Christians” on occasion act abusively towards Jews? Absolutely. Was this “justified”? No. Are majorities acting abusively towards minorities common in history? Of course.
Perhaps what makes the Jews unusual is not that they were persecuted, but that they continued to exist despite said persecution.
So the Jews have hit some sweet spot where they are unknown enough for people to hate them and well known enough for that hatred to be everywhere in the world?
Perhaps it was seen as barbaric to eat something while it was still alive like lions do to the wildebeast. They might have felt differently if they knew the thing being eaten alive had its spinal cord severed so they wouldn’t feel anything. Or maybe thats still a teensy bit barbaric.
Well that’s what Jesus did, I guess these kids all want to be Christians and eat Toblerone.
Hating on Jews is so…last millenium.
You don’t want your Jews? We’ll take em.
Possibly, I’m not married to the idea. I think the vast majority of anti-jewish sentiment in the U.S. is hand me down European bigotry. But I also know some latinos who I have NO IDEA where they get their anti-semitism from…and I’m not talking about anti-zionist, they say mean things about jews and I know some of them can’t even name a jew they know personally…can’t figure it out.