And religious people in the US are happier than non-religious, so that is a further factor.
So finally we have established that Republicans are happier, better-adjusted, more religious, and more patriotic than Democrats.
Regards,
Shodan
And religious people in the US are happier than non-religious, so that is a further factor.
So finally we have established that Republicans are happier, better-adjusted, more religious, and more patriotic than Democrats.
Regards,
Shodan
I do not believe that “we” have established any such thing, but if that’s what helps you sleep at night, you are welcome to your illusions.
I don’t know what it is with you guys, but I think you and I have very different understanding of the word ‘opposite’ (and I think yours is wrong).
To recap, the line I quoted was “Self-enhancement, or the tendency to evaluate oneself in an unrealistically favorable light, is more pronounced among the psychologically well-adjusted (Taylor & Brown, 1988) …”
QuickSilver, you claimed that the line I quoted was “quite the opposite” “of the study’s findings”
k9bfriender, you claimed that there was context “showing that that snippet meant the opposite”
Now, I don’t know what definition of “opposite” you guys are using, but for me the opposite of the line I quoted would be something like ‘self-enhancement is LESS pronounced among the psychologically well-adjusted’ or perhaps something like ‘Taylor & Brown were wrong, self-enhancement is more pronounced among the psychologically MAL-adjusted’. But the study doesn’t say anything remotely like either of those things, AFAICT. If you think I’m wrong on this point, please cite the portion of the study that you think shows ‘the opposite’ of the line I quoted.
Not at all sure there is any such thing as a graceful recovery from a full faceplant as your OP. You are, of course, wholly within your rights to keep trying. And good luck with that!
If you really cannot grasp that the entirety of the sentence needs to be considered, and not just a part of a phrase, then I am not sure how to explain it any better.
It was one of three factors that would indicate someone’s tendency to overrate themselves in a self assessment. The other factors were religiousness and a motivation to stand out from others. The last, to me, is diametrically opposite to someone who is psychologically well-adjusted, and IMHO, the same is true of people who take their religion too seriously.
So, by quoting it, and only giving one of three factors by taking your quote out of the context that it was originally in, you create the impression that anyone who overrates themselves on a self assessment is psychologically well adjusted, which would indicate that those republicans who overate their patriotism are psychologically well adjusted. By your omission, you seem to try to discount that republicans overly rate themselves because of religious affiliation or their motivation to stand out.
So, since I have explained why I feel your out of context quote does seem to indicate more or less the opposite of what the authors intended, can you explain your motivations in ending your quote where you did?
It would be like quoting a survey that says, “Large hands are more pronounced among those with large penises, those likely to commit acts of violence, and used car salesmen.”(not from a real survey), leaving off the last two phrases, and then showing off what big hands you have.
I’d like to see that 1988 study repeated now, since it’s not only three decades old, but was done in an era of perceived runaway prosperity, whether or not it was so in reality.
I associate patriotism as a feeling of freedom. Which , to me, would explain that big a difference between the two. Freedom to do as you wish, is a much more Republican standard than it is Democrat one. I think the left leaning folks are inherently more likely impose on freedoms otherwise taken as “freedom” by the right.
That doesn’t necessarily mean that the left wants to take away freedoms, just that they are more likely to want to see them taking freedoms as a means to an end, or greater good. More governmental involvement, to me, is a loss of freedoms (in most regards).
I guess I’m just posting this to give my own definition of freedom and a possible reason why the poll might skew the way it does.
I’m on my phone now, and going camping for the weekend, so I’ll try to get you a proper response when I get back. I just didn’t want you to feel like I was abandoning the thread or anything.
Really? (Attempted) institutionalized banning of abortion? Ridiculously unsupported bathroom laws? Discriminatory voter ID laws? Uh, yeah, Republicans are totally concerned with freedom and rights for all.
Add to this Republican support for drug laws and sodomy laws and we get a sense of just how seriously Republicans care about a citizen’s freedom to do as he wishes.
Kearsan, can you make up a list of what freedoms are important to you? I gather they include the freedoms to buy and own guns and the freedom to refuse to do business with people based on race, religion or sexual orientation, am I wrong?
Protesting is terrorism, according to the Pentagon.
You say discriminatory voter laws, the right doesn’t seem them as discriminatory, merely a way to validate the right to vote. (Protecting freedom)
You say abortion banning like its a bad thing. (Again, the right sees it as protecting an unborn life)
Bathroom laws. Some might see that as protecting (in fact it has been framed that way, little Mary from predatory people …
I could refute almost every single point you could throw since they all depend on point of view.
Sure, you’d be wrong, but this isn’t about me and MY freedoms.
I don’t happen to agree with most of the drugs laws, although I could personally not give 2 shits about people refusing business to ANYONE for any reason. Eventually that business will be out of business.
Edit: Libertarian ideals more closely align with the right so I’d assume that those ideals would be even more for freedom than Republicans.
Well, I’m off sailing for a week with my son. I’ll reply to your reply when* I* get back. Heaven forfend anybody is seen to forfeit and “lose” an argument because they have actual lives to live.
Okay, then I’ll rephrase my question - what freedoms do you think are important to Republicans, and how does their set constitute more freedom overall than the corresponding Democratic set, which I also invite you to specify.
I don’t rightly know what they as a group hold near and dear. When I wrote my initial post, it was about me and my ideals or my idea of freedom. I wrote it to express to those reading that POV of all the different arguments that could be made is being left out as to why the disparity of people self identifying as patriotic could be, not WHY it was.
Hell, I don’t know the why anymore than anyone else here.
For most, I’d imagine a giant set, it’s less governmental involvement in their lives.
Ummmmmmmm… okay, then.
As was pointed out, you screwed up “and” and “or”. The statements you’re attempting to logic from just as easily support the conclusion that republicans are malajusted religious nuts who cling to pleasing, self-aggrandizing delusions.
Personally, with regard to republicans being more patriotic, it’s my conclusion that republicans tend to be patriotic to the fantasy image of the country they want - often in aggressive, violent opposition to any and all aspects of the actual real country that they don’t like. So you get people claiming to be “true patriots” while flying the confederate flag and wanting to toss out demographics of people that comprise a large percentage of the country’s population. Democrats, on the other hand, have a smaller tendency to cling to delusion, and thus have a lot harder time singing unconditional praises of the country while disliking half of the things it’s doing, and we have a harder time claiming it’s the best place in the world while noticing that there are other countries doing quite well too.
Republican defending personal freedom:
(Knocks on neighbor’s bedroom door) Hey, fellas, what’s going on in there?
Personal freedom is the ability for me to force others to behave as I personally want them to.