Because they are? Or, to be more specific, their words and behaviors are bad
I don’t need one to criticize a government agency that supposedly works for me and my fellow citizens.
Does clean water and air require strict liability laws against harming endangered species, such that if I accidentally mow over an invisible (to me) endangered snake’s nest, I could be sent to federal prison?
The point is, you can certainly be a proponent of clean air and water while also being an opponent of the EPA. There is no reason these things are mutually exclusive, except for some people’s own failure of imagination.
Let’s say it again: You can criticize a government agency without being against that agency’s stated goals.
A simple example would be if that agency didn’t actually help attain those stated goals. Another exmaple would be if that agency created more harm than was necessary to achieve its goals. Another example might be if you were fundamentally opposed to the methods that agency uses to achieve those goals. These are all sources of valid complaints against an agency (any agency) that don’t have anything to do with hating clean water, for example, or kicking puppies, or whatever nonsense it is you want to claim about your political opponents.
Is everyone who criticizes the TSA a terrorist?
Except in this case, the goals are also evil to EPA opponents. Republicans may pay lip service to “clean air and water” but reach and every effort to reach that and any other environmental goal is fought against tooth and nail in the name of corporate profits.
In fact, anything that risks any reduction in corporate profits is fought against by Republicans. Combined with the moral hard on to restrict the freedoms of those their religion hates, reducing civil rights, punishing the downtrodden for being downtrodden, is it amy wonder they easily come across as mean people?
I already pointed out that Britain is a socialist state, although the Conservatives have been doing their best recently to dismantle it against popular opinion. And I do like how you “lump in” Nazism as a form of socialism as if all forms of statism are socialist. If you’re just going to start from a position of “anything bad is socialism and anything good is not socialism” and redefine everything on that basis there’s no point in having a conversation about this.
Could you please point me to someone who says that protection of endangered species directly reduces pollution? Could you give me a cite of someone who at one time truly accidentally harmed some species and went to jail? You’d think that such a case would be all over the right wing news.
Certainly. Someone can be against the EPA for not being aggressive enough. I don’'t think the Bush-era EPA was too useful.
No agency is optimal - Saying an agency is useless because it isn’t perfect is either dumb or a cover for making success impossible. Do you think that someone who said he was for fighting the Nazis as long as one died doing it was really for fighting the Nazis?
And I wouldn’t say that they hate clean water and air - they just don’t think these goals are worth any amount of corporate profits.
As for it not working - the right hated California’s stringent clean air rules. They make gas more expensive, even today. However I’m in LA now and I can breath, and I can’t remember the last time I saw air quality discussed on TV, like it was every night 40 years ago. Free enterprise, as good as it is, does not solve this problem.
So I’d say most opponents of the purpose of the EPA may not hate clean air, but they don’t particularly care if we get it.
What criteria are sufficient to accurately label a nation socialist? Is UK more socialist or capitalist?
The interesting thing is that at least until recently this wasn’t the R/C philosophy, it was their strategy. At least in recent decades there haven’t been enough comfortable people to comprise a natural winning constituency drawn to their policies. So the traditional R/C powerbrokers used tactics that appealed to the LCD.
This has now backfired on the traditional R/C powerbrokers spectacularly because they have now ended up with a candidate who appeals only to the LCD.
Oops.
TSA. The NSA doesn’t need to check your bags at the airport; they watched you pack them at home.
See? Proof there’s poor inter-agency communications.
Hahaha, thanks. It appears I sometimes get my huge, intrusive and unaccountable government agencies mixed up.
Let’s give each other the benefit of the doubt for a minute. I can’t fully make sense of this post of yours- care to elaborate for me please?
And (everybody) can we drop the comparisons to Mao, Stalin and Hitler, please? Correct me if I am wrong, but what those guys all had in common was totalitarianism. If someone wants to make the point that these are fine examples of government gone mad, I will concede the point. But what do these guys have to do with contemporary American politics? Neither food stamps nor tax cuts for the wealthy nor even the Iraq War really compare to The Great Leap Forward, The Gulag Archipelago or The Final Solution. Ok, maybe deporting 11 million people is in that direction… the only things in American history I can think of that really compare are slavery and the destruction of the natives, both which America at least had the class to wrap up before the Modern Age. I don’t think it makes much sense to say the left “owns” Stalin or the right “owns” Hitler- they were both murderous maniacs rather than political philosophers, mmmkay?
Depends on the circle you run in. You could easily find circles where liberals are the bad guys if you go to an all white, rural part of the country.
Hitler was voted in ! and was in fact a socialist, good bloke and all in the beginning.
All the worlds governments said how great he was remember, but once socialism becomes to powerful and becomes big brother then look out because no one can rain them bastards in to control them, people then become slaves.
Political Correctness only in slaves people as it’s tool that sick mad men and dictators use to get their way, it’s all about brainwashing and anyone who does not follow becomes an enemy of the State and the others become just like cattle.
The far right and the far left are one in the same, only they work to play a games with all in the centre that can not fathom the ruthlessness of the extreme right and left.
He was voted in, yes, but despite the party name he was never a socialist nor a particularly “good bloke”.
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As noted above, “socialism” and “totalitarianism” are not synonymous. Nazi Germany was statist, not socialist, and its excesses were the excesses of totalitarianism.
I’m sorry but this is gibberish. I’m not saying this because what you’ve written isn’t “Politically Correct”; I’m saying it because it isn’t any kind of “correct”.
In the interest of fighting ignorance:
The Nazi (or German National Socialist) party was not “socialist” by the commonly accepted definition of the term. It was fascist.
Nazis are an example of far right politics.
Political Correctness does not “in slave” [sic] people. It is “the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.” It is a reaction from minority groups that feel marginalized or disenfranchised.
Hitler was not “politically correct”. Most dictators aren’t. They typically hold onto power by blaming both external and internal “agitators”.
“The state before the individual” is quite different from proposals like health care and tuition for all like you hear from Sanders. I don’t think there is a meaningful comparison there, even considering “National Socialist” and “Democratic Socialist” both use the word “socialist”.
Are you trying to claim the Republicans let people speak thier minds?
The party that trIed to ban school faculty from saying the word ‘gay’?
The party that banned doctors from discussing gun safety with the parents of thier patients?
The party that requires doctors give factually untrue information to patients
Hitler was not voted in !
On January 30, 1933, von Hindenburg appointed Adolf Hitler as Chancellor of Germany.
p.s. Hitler was never a “good bloke”.
Ahem…
Originally Posted by doorhinge
Who are the bad guys? The ones who have a different opinion, or the ones who won’t let people speak their minds?