I’m not talking about the founding fathers. I’m talking about the left’s bizarre and deliberate misinterpretation of the first amendment. The left wants to de-Christianize America, and it would obviously be helpful if they can convince as many people as possible (including themselves) that America is somehow not really Christian.
That would make the US a female nation. A nationette, if you will.
You should be talking about the found fathers, because they’re the ones who stated specifically that the US is *not *a Christian nation.
No, it’s the same debate. I’ll leave it in this thread. One demographic is the same as another. There are slightly more men than women in the US, so I guess that makes it a “male nation,” the NBA is a “black league,” and the world, as a whole, is Chinese in ethnicity.
I put those words in quotes because the semantic meaning of those words is what’s being discussed. I’m doing it for clarity, and it’s entirely appropriate.
Bizarre and deliberate misinterpretation of the first amendment, eh?
Huh. You know, I never noticed that bit before.
I don’t think that last one quite works, 'cause the Chinese are a plurality rather than an absolute majority.
Not all important, but certainly critical. It’s such a hoot. Lefties claim to be the protectors of the people, but they don’t seem to actually like the people very much.
The state is specifically what the word “nation” refers to.
No, they did not.
Yes, they did too. Nyeah, nyeah.
The overwhelming majority of the American political left IS Christian, which means, under your own rubric, that the left is a Christian wing (and that the Democrats are a “Christian party”).
The allegation that the left wants to “de-Christianize America” is too asinine to really merit even this much engagement, but what the hell…cite?
But when you think of things that are “American”, they seem to be largely from black culture: gospel, jazz, blues, hip-hop, rock and roll, and BBQ. A huge portion of American slang is from the black culture and American black culture also influences fashion trends around the world. America’s chief sports export, basketball, is dominated by blacks. To a large degree, what makes America unique is black culture. .
The issue of slavery also had a profound affect on how America set up it’s political institutions: the “great compromise” was an effort to provide balance between free and slave states. The Civil War, fought over the status of blacks, had more casualties than WW1, WWII, and Vietnam combined, and that doesn’t even take into account the per-capita death rate. The expansion of the role of the Supreme Court and the weakening of Federalism are to a large degree a result of the failure of the post-Reconstruction state governments to provide basic rights to blacks.
And I note that some people in America aren’t citizens, so I guess that means America isn’t an American nation. Careful with that straw man, it might be a fire hazard.
Yeah, you’re just doing it for clarity. :rolleyes: You can always tell when a leftie knows he doesn’t have a valid point–he wants to argue about semantics.
If patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel, semantics is the first.
The irony, of course, being that the separation of church and state gas resulted in the US being the most religious industrialized country. Countries that retained a link between church and state, like the UK, are much less religious.
“…the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…”
-John Adams
Thomas Jefferson said a lot worse.
There’s also the First Amendment, of course, which explicitly declares that the United States shall have no state religion.
The “nation” is American by definition. The population is only majority American.
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Horese shit. A nation is not simply the state. Here we have yet another sophomoric debating tactic known as winning by definition, in which you arbitrarily re-define some critical term to suit yourself and then insist that your definition is the only acceptable one.
Alright, then Mr. Webster, what else is it?
The first definition of “nation” is “state,” and any definition has to include the state, even if it’s used more holistically to encompass the population. You can’t divorce the word “nation” from the state.
When conservatives use the term they mean a group of individuals united by their hatred of another group.
Incidentally, it’s STILL bullshit to try to define even a population by a majority demographic, as has been shown repeatedly.