No real secret why rump’s approval rating is up. He managed to get through a 90 minute speech without pulling feces out of his pants and flinging it at the audience, which means it was a success (and means that I lost a bet). He stayed off Twitter for a few days, so managed not to step on his own dick too much. Wages up, unemployment down, people getting slightly more money in their checks. And the bill for all those things won’t hit until later, so they presently appear to be mostly upside.
The real shocker is that his approval rating is so low given the state of the economy. Any other president with this economy would have approval ratings well over 60%. Trump’s problem is that he’s an enormous douchebag, so when the bill for the economy comes due, people will turn on him.
Sure, but I’m rebutting the “Dems have no response” attack. If we exclude those who pay little attention to this issue, then both the memo and the Dems response are of no consequence because they won’t be heard anyway.
Obama’s ratings weren’t that good for most of his second term. Is that because your “Any other president with this economy would have approval ratings well over 60%” theory is just plain wrong, or do you think “this economy” is significantly better than Obama’s second term?
Every president since Jimmy Carter had a higher overall net job approval rating than economic approval rating in October of the first term. For example, President Obama averaged a net job approval rating of +11, according to FiveThirtyEight’s approval tracker, and an economic net approval rating of +4. On average, presidents have had a net overall rating 14 points above their economic rating. Trump’s is closer to 20 points below his economic rating.
Interestingly, I guesstimated the “20 points,” but based on that analysis I was right on.
Remind me again what your question was. Was it about how Trump being a tremendous douchebag was bringing his approval rating below where we would expect it to be given the economy?
You said “Any other president with this economy would have approval ratings well over 60%” Obama’s approval ratings were not “well over 60%” for his entire second term (and most of his first). It is quite common around here to claim that the economy isn’t doing any better under Trump than it did under Obama. If that’s true, then your theory is obviously incorrect. The other possibility I see is that the economy actually has markedly improved under Trump, which would excuse Obama’s low approval ratings, but would have the (unfortunate for you I imagine) side effect of admitting that the economy has done better under Trump than Obama. Which is it?
I guess if you want to know how the economy was performing under Obama for his second term, step 1 would be to look at economic indicators as of the date of Obama’s second term, don’t you think?
You get the numbers then we can discuss whether or not I erred horribly by saying: "Any other president with this economy would have approval ratings well over 60%"when I should have said: “Any other president with this economy would have approval ratings well over 59%”. Or whatever number you want to plug into that second sentence.
I’m comfortable in my knowledge that the economy has done significantly better under Trump than Obama. I thought I might be able to fight some of your ignorance, but I suspect in this case it’s willful and will not be dislodged, so carry on.
Considering that Trump didn’t pass any major legislation until December, I doubt you’ll ever convince me that economic results for the first year of his administration reflect his policies rather than Obama’s, regardless of how much you insult me by calling me ignorant, which I don’t particularly appreciate.
His major legislation, by the way, will increase national debt by 1.5 trillion and steal from the middle class to make the wealthy even wealthier. Remember when the GOP was against deficits? Me neither.
Really? How so? Jobs gains are down for 2017 compared to 2016. Despite Trump’s crowing(and current silence), the stock market isn’t fully an economic indicator. Real average hourly earnings are the same or lower in 2017 than 2016.
So we’re back to the theory that the economy has done no better under Trump than Obama, and yet Obama didn’t have 60% approval ratings either, so Evil Economist was wrong?
You said it’s done significantly better. In fact, it’s coasting along at the same rate as under Obama. Best you can say is that Trump hasn’t done anything to fuck it up. Yet.
Oh hey, a gratuitous attacks against me! Woohoo! Dude, if you’d have preferred if I’d have said “Any other president with this economy would have approval ratings well over 59%,” just let me know, fam! I’m here to help you deal with this.
P.s., the reason Trump’s approval rating is so low despite the economy is because he’s a tremendous douche. Question answered.
No. I was asking you about it. Do you think “Any other president with this economy would have approval ratings well over 60%” is an accurate statement, or not?