So now I’m an unfit parent because I’m a Christian? Lovely.
This God you don’t think exists GAVE me my beautiful, precious children and I value them more than my very life. How dare you even suggest I’m an unfit parent.
I’m so sick and tired of people jumping all over Christians (those of us who actually TRY to live the right and Christian way…not the fundies).
You don’t want to believe the way I do? Fine. Find me one place on this board I’ve ever tried to convert you. I support gay rights. I have no problem with gay marriages. I’ve never been anything but polite and kind to the majority of gay posters on this board. I respect their opinions even when I don’t agree 100%.
But a great big and hearty FUCK YOU for suggesting I’m not a fit parent because of my beliefs.
I did not say it would be easy. I do not think I ever have. oh well.
I believe that if you raise a child up the way the Bible says too, they will not sway. And, if she does decide to be gay when she is older, that is her own business and her own dealings with God. I can only teach her whats right, now.
Ok, maybe you should read my posts again. You obviously did not.
Homosexuality does not make me go “ick” at all. They are not my rules. Some, possibly many may say “ick” when it come to homosexuality, but I am not one of them. You have no idea what I think or how I think when I see a homosexual couple. Now people like Rosie McDonald, they make me role my eyes. But there have been times that it made me happy and sad. What I mean by this is: one time I was in the mall with my cousin. We were just walking around shopping, pretty much minding our own business. Two men, holding hands, walked passed us. Immediately, me and my cousin looked at each other with big eyes. It’s not something that we are use to seeing. There was a brief, “ooookay” between us. As they were walking together, now in front of us, it seemed nice, in an odd kind of way. Funny enough, we both said that to each at about the same time, including, “but it’s not right, it’s not natural.” There was never an ick factor.
Years ago, I took care of an HIV patient, at his home. He lived with his boyfriend. I had no objections to taking care of him, and in fact, I cared for him very much. It was a very sad day for all of us when he died. It was the first time someone died in my arms. When he died, I cried very much. After his family had their alone time with him, I took some alone time, and prayed for him.
Also, there is no reason for me to rationalize shrimp. Please read my posts and then respond. Thanks
Anyway, my daughters hang up was about twowoman being together, when that is not the way it’s suppose to be. I did not talk about it because it was never such an issue, all over television, like it is now. Now she knows and understand. She is not confused anymore.
Except for the fact that the bible is clear on it, duh.
Gobear, I am tolerant of people, but like MrVisible wants God off his lawn, , I want gayness off mine. And you know what? I don’t think either is going to happen.
Can’t we all live together in peace? I don’t believe in God, but I support your right to do so and to worship freely. I even support your right to call me a sinner. I may argue with you and try to persuade you to see things differently, but I will always support your freedom of expression and your right to live the way you wish. All I ask is that you reciprocate. You may believe me a sinner according to your church, but I’d like you to support my right to civil equality as an American.
Aries28, a jerk like **Spectrum ** speaks only for himself, not for gay people in general, so don’t let his rampant assholery upset you.
Oh, darlin…I know. But just as some “Christians” make those of us who try look bad…there are some gay people that make those of you I respect look bad too.
I’m just frustrated in general with the tone the SD seems to have for Christians lately. It seems to be accepted and almost applauded for Christians to be made fun of and whenever someone insults something I hold dear and others comment on how clever or witty they are it hurts just as bad as you reading something deragatory about gay people.
Yes, I know that no one is denying me any rights. But insulting someone is insulting someone.
I don’t try and preach to you guys or condemn you or anything else but it bothers me when I see Christian=ignorant, uneducated silly people.
Just ignore me. I knew when I opened this thread I should probably just stay out of it.
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Can’t we all live together in peace? I don’t believe in God, but I support your right to do so and to worship freely. I even support your right to call me a sinner. I may argue with you and try to persuade you to see things differently, but I will always support your freedom of expression and your right to live the way you wish. All I ask is that you reciprocate. You may believe me a sinner according to your church, but I’d like you to support my right to civil equality as an American.
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What is it you want me to do, gobear? I cannot vote for gay rights. All I can do is either vote against, or not vote at all.
I don’t go around calling you a sinner. I acknowledge that we are all sinners, but I do not go around saying, “sinner sinner sinner.” I don’t think your sin is any greater than mine.
But how can you ask me to contradict God. You may not believe in him, but if you know that I do, (and that I am strong in what I believe) how can you ask me to betray Him?
Even an Atheist can read the Bible and see that it is not acceptable. No matter how you slice it. They/you may believe it is a bunch of crap, but it’s undeniable.
I just do not understand how you can ask me to go against what God has written, if you know I believe it so strongly.
Life is too short, try not to be so angry. No body gets everything they want/deserve/or what they think is fair. (including me)
Just wanted to point out that “forcing” people to be intolerant is, by its nature, intolerant. Most definitely not a good thing, and in fact counterproductive. This would be, to use lissener’s phrase, part of the problem, because it not part of the solution.
I think convincing people to be tolerant is preferable… this actually is a Good Thing.
That said, I really like Eve’s take on it. To expand on it, briefly, I’ve always considered that the whole homo/heterosexuality debate isn’t about sex so much as it is about love. Is loving someone a sin? Is a woman loving a man, or vice versa, a sin? If sex goes with love, in a committed relationship, how can that be a sin?
I also like Sauron’s way of looking at it – just take the “homo” and “hetero” prefixes away and talk about sexuality equally for everyone. It means that everyone has the potential to be a sinner but nobody is inherently a sinner. This strikes me as a far more fair way of looking at it… too bad more Christians don’t ascribe to this view.
I don’t personally subscribe to the concept of sin, but if that’s something you believe in, then it should at least be fair to everyone. I agree that saying that one group of people is inherently sinful while another is not is simple bigotry. It’s practically the definition of bigotry. Does that make God a bigot? I guess, if one subscribes to JerseyDiamond’s reading of the Bible, God is indeed a bigot.
I’m encouraged that other Christians have better opinions of their God than that one. If God is truly about love, then it does seem ignorant indeed to believe that God would hate so deeply. I’m inclined to agree with gobear and lissener about that part.
And an aside to Aries28 and Sauron: You’ve made yourselves perfectly clear here about your priorities regarding your kids, your relationship with one another, and your relationship with your God. People like spectrum who can’t get past their own hangups with others’ beliefs are as ignorant as the fundies who believe that homosexuality is a sin. Hopefully spectrum is alone in his foolish opinion.
You can vote however you wish… to blame your God for your choice is a denial of free will. Take responsbility for the choices you make.
Words are a funny thing… everyone who reads them (or hears them) has their own unique interpretation.
To put it simply… I’m an atheist. I’ve read the Bible… twice, even. And I deny your interpretation of the Bible’s words. I think you’re wrong, and I think the interpretation you’ve drawn from the words of the Bible says more about you than it does about God.
Just as my interpretation says more about me than it does about… well, anything else. The difference between us, apparently, is that I recognize that. So do an awful lot of other people.
You’re free to believe what you want… just don’t use your beliefs as justification for laws which affect others who do not share your beliefs. I think that is all gobear is asking, from you or anyone.
Sadly…I doubt that if the truth were told he would be. I would be willing to bet that there are a fair amount of people on this very board who feel the exact same way but would never voice it.
Just take a look at threads where God is referred to as the Invisible Fairy in the Sky or Magic Sky Pixie or something such as that. That is insulting to my belief system. Again, if you don’t want to believe in God then I respect your right to do so but do you have to mock what I do believe in? (I mean “you” in the general sense…not you specifically).
I often walk away from these threads thinking of Voltaire…I might not agree with a thing you say but I’ll fight to the death your right to say it.
It works both ways. I might not agree with 100% of the gay posters here but I will fight with them for their rights. All I want is the same respect.
I’d be interested in knowing what your interpretation of these verses and surrounding are. Maybe you can email or IM me. Or, you can come to one of the other message boards I am on, and post there. As a matter of fact. I will start a thread in one of them. Feel free to come over. There will be no venom at all. I am really interested in your interpretation I really don’t bit!
That is what I have been saying for 9 pages now. If gay relationships offend JerseyDiamond’s coscience, then I recommend that she not engage in them. She has no right to dictate my behavior** according to her beliefs. She is being RC, Religiously Correct, in imposing an idealogical orthodoxy on people who are not members of her church. Now that might fly in Iran or Saudi Arabia, where faith and government are indissoluble, but in America we respect the idea of the separation of church and state.
There is no good reason to deny me my freedom based on your rules, JerseyDiamond.
And again, I ask: I should be denied equality, I should be denied the taxation, legal and social protection incumbent upon marriage, just so you don’t have to explain things to your children?
I see, so that’s why there are…what…over 3,000 different sects of Christianity out there? That’s why there isn’t one uniformed opinion about homosexuality?
The bible seems to be anything BUT clear, it just seems that you want your (or your churches) interpretation to be the accepted one. I can understand that, but you’ve got to also realize that just because a Christian believes differently then you do, that doesn’t automatically make them wrong.
According to people like you, I’m an unfit parent because I’m gay. Hurts to have that sort of thing thrown in your face, doesn’t it?
Though I would not feel safe leaving my children, when I have some, with anyone who puts any “god” ahead of her own children. What if God tells that woman not to grab the children when running out of a burning house? I don’t trust religious fanatics. I’ve too may whips and thorn wounds on my flesh from past brushes with “good, Christian people.”
That doesn’t make it ok to question the parenting skills of someone you don’t know especially the ones who mean you no harm like Aries28 and Sauron In fact it makes you guilty of the same thing you are accusing them of.
People like me? You so obviously don’t know a single thing about me. I wouldn’t think you are an unfit parent because you are gay. I would think you would be an unfit parent because you are a raving lunatic. You are so blinded by your martyr complex that you lash out at the very people who support you.
Let me repeat myself…I support gay rights. I have no problem with gay marriage. I think it would be a wonderful thing if gay people could adopt one of the many kids out there who need a home.
Stop projecting your hatred of fundie zealots onto all Christians. Not all of us are out to get you.
Because spectrum had a run in with a person who called themselves a Christian and had no idea what that meant then he/she should hate all of us.
Just like if I’ve had any negative experience with any gay person I should hate them all. Or black people. Or hispanic people. Or women. Or men. Or anybody.
You’re crossing a line into incoherence here. Aries and Sauron are two of the nicest Baptists you’ll ever come across. Neither of them would make that assertion. You do yourself, and all of us, a disservice by slandering them.
