and does that indicate the broad brush used to paint an entire culture was wrong? So what other assumptions might also be so wrong ?
In a word, yes.
It’s the same reason why virtually all other groups increased their vote share in favor of Trump: inflation.
Rightly or wrongly the American people blamed the Biden/Harris administration for inflation. That same American people had no issue cashing those government checks during the pandemic tho.
Perhaps they didn’t.
Republicans are always talking about election fraud. The subject is clearly on their mind. And we know that Trump has tried to commit election fraud.
So maybe this time they did a little planning and covered it up a better than usual.
And if you were going to steal votes, you wouldn’t steal them from people who are already voting for you. You’d steal them from people who were voting against you. It’s a double bonus; you’re decreasing Harris’s votes while increasing Trump’s.
Many Hispanic voters are socially conservative and devoutly religious.
For 4 years we mocked anybody that suggested voter fraud in 2020. Now we believe it ?
For the record I didn’t believe it then and don’t believe it now. Some isolated cases I wouldn’t doubt. Not enough to swing the election.
Who mocked voter fraud in 2020? We have documented evidence that Trump committed voter fraud.
Yes, and a great many don’t want what has been a basically open border. A lot of Democrats just assumed they wanted that. Turns out they assume way too much about way too many people.
you mean they believed the lie? We don’t have an open border. Kids are not going to school in the morning and having a sex change operation before they come home. Trump is not going to cut the cost of energy by 50% on his first day. Oh, no one is eating your cats and dogs.
In addition, I think many Democrats fail to grasp that racism is actually not all that important to many Trump-supporting minority folks. Sure, they dislike it. But in the context of things like the economy or religion, they are willing to overlook (mild) racism as an unpleasant-but-tolerable nuisance.
I have encountered a lot of Asian and Hispanic pro-Trump Christians. None of them like racism, but they all considered “advancing the cause of Christianity” to be far more important than the racist comments Trump made, such as “Kung Flu” or whatnot.
I think this is derailing the thread a bit, but if we’re on the topic, then please explain how it was done. The burden of proof lies on the person making a claim. You can’t steal millions of votes when many precincts use different voting methods, there are people of both parties doing the watching, etc.
So, why did they support Trump?
I’m not making the claim at this point and I don’t feel it’s derailing the thread.
The thread was started asking why a seemingly unusual number of Hispanic voters voted for Trump, given his history of being anti-Hispanic. I pointed out that election fraud would be one possible explanation. And noted that Trump has committed election fraud in past elections.
I believe many, if not most, Hispanics voted their pocketbook. The Dems were thinking that they cared more about harsher immigration laws and a nationwide abortion ban. They were wrong. Plus the idea that Hispanics voted as a block has been wrong for quite a while. Democrats were banking on a myth that no longer exists, if it really ever did.
On the topic of illegal immigration, it should also be pointed out that being pro-illegal immigration doesn’t affect voters in a positive way. (Yes, the Democrats may not support illegal immigration, but if there is a perception that they do, then voters will vote accordingly.)
No illegal immigrants have the right to vote in America. So when a voter (Hispanic or not) thinks that the Ds support illegal immigration, it’s not something that would make them vote D. A Hispanic voter isn’t likely to think, “The Ds support the illegal immigration of people who have the same ethnicity as I, so I should support the Ds.”
Trump tried to commit election interference, not voter fraud.
There is no evidence of any large scale voter fraud (and ironically what little there is from the last election was largely perpetrated by Republicans).
Hispanic voters voted for Trump for the same reason that others did; because they like his style, they think he’ll support their interests even if he insults their ethnic background, and don’t think that he’ll really allow bad things to happen to them. All of this business about inflation driving voters to Trump is largely nonsense; even if you believe that the current administration is somehow responsible for price inflation, everything Trump has promised to do will make it significantly worse. People might believe Trump will “fight inflation” but they’re either delusional or moronic.
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Okay, maybe I’m wrong on the legal technicalities.
I’m talking about when Trump called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and asked him to invalidate a couple of hundred thousand votes that were cast for Biden. I thought this was voter fraud but if it’s election interference, I stand corrected.
The problem is that the Republican concept of “anti illegal immigration” is “kick all Hispanics out of the country, no matter how or when they or their ancestors got here”. Republicans don’t give a damn about actual illegal immigration. They just use that as a dogwhistle for racism.
This article suggests it is the economy (inflation) and Latinos don’t like illegal immigrants.
The most common factor, however, was the economy - specifically, inflation.
“Out here, you pay $5 for a dozen eggs. It used to be $1, or even 99 cents,” Mr Negron added. “A lot of us have woken up, in my opinion, from Democratic lies that things have been better. We realised things were better then.”
Ahead of the election, polls also suggested that many Latinos - across the US and in Pennsylvania specifically - were drawn to Trump’s proposals to block migrants at the US-Mexico border and enact much stricter immigration laws.
This thread is about US born people of Latin heritage. But it should be pointed out that, for almost anyone who comes into the country - non-US born people - they’re usually coming from poorer, more religious, more conservative territories.
If you were to go to a farm in El Salvador and ask their opinion on transsexuals, BDSM, and abortion, those answers aren’t liable to lean to the favor of the left. Those people end up being the parents and grand parents of many US born Hispanics. They set the culture that’s being passed down from generation to generation and that culture is often going to be deeply religious and conservative.
History has also generally shown that immigrants tend to be opposed to greater immigration. They compete for the same jobs and programs - with the new entrants usually working to work cheaper than the ones who’ve been here longer.
So there’s really two separate myths going on here: The myth that immigrants like Democrats and the myth that their descendants also like Democrats. None of that was ever true.
They’re actually all just people, like you and me, with good and bad reasons to back any one thing. Usually, those motivations aren’t angelic, they’re largely selfish, uninformed, and self-defeating.