Why did God create Lucifer Morningstar? (Satan)

Ya know, that’s a super simple question that no preacher or theologists have been able to give a successful answer to for me.

ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE:

God created everything, right?
God knows everything, past and present, right?
God is perfect, right?
God is benign and “good”, right?
God would never purposely kill people because he’s a vengeful bastard, right?

SO, timeline as to my understanding:

  1. God is alive, always.
  2. God creates heavens, has happy little angel people. Lucifer is his first-mate in their little cloud boat.
  3. God creates earth and pisses Lucifer off.
    4: Lucifer tricks man into eating apple.
  4. God throws a temper tantrum and creates hell on earth.
  5. Lucifer becomes Satan.

EXCUSE ME, ALL KNOWING BEING? UHM, YOU OVERLOOKED THAT LITTLE THING THERE! COUGH COUGH


Any logical explanations? Or, I guess, illogical?

1.) God creates Earth and people.
2.) God appoints the Devil as District Attorney.

Where’d you get that impression from?

**Why did God create Lucifer Morningstar? (Satan) **

So Marjorie could have a father.

Hahaha. I love your explanation, but it isn’t quite what I was looking for. Fantastic laugh, though.

EDIT: Both of your explanations.

God does tons of vengeful killing in the Old Testament. There’s the Flood, for starters. And there is almost nothing in the Bible that matches up to present-day interpretations of Satan.

I was being sarcastic! Sorrry. Haha.

Melon’s answer is correct. Shaitan is the Adversary, as in the lawyer arguing against you in court. See the Book of Job for details.

This should explain it.
“Ah, Luci, what can I do for you?”
He stood in the door, looking upset. He should be, he had been informed that he and a third of the maintenance staff would be laid off. Construction was finished, the foundations were solid, the structure was built, and even the gates had been gilded, everything was perfect.
“Boss, you know why I am here. Me and the boys won’t go quietly, we’ve put to much work in to just be sent packing, why don’t you fire Mike instead, he’s the one that’s going to ultimately wreck this place.”
I did not appreciate the threats, and sure, while Mike and his crew were a bit rowdy, they knew their place.
“Look, there are plenty of other projects going on, I can give you a reference…, I just don’t have work for you here anymore.”
“No work? You hired a band!.” He pointed to the risers, where even now, several dozen figures were playing their instruments or singing, they were a little loud, and I waved for them to play more softly.
“It’s not just a band, it’s The Host. It’s important. We’ve been over this already when you didn’t want to redo the acoustics in here.” I whistled softly and listened as the soft echoes, splitting and harmonizing with themselves, made up a small orchestral peice of it’s own, complimenting the sound from the choir. Rather than diminishing, it drfited into the distance, still growing and changing. “With resonances like these, how could I not have them?”
“And the basement, with your all of your pets? You know you are going to get angry with them when they misbehave, and you are going to get to bored with them to train them right.”
“Those are not pets! They are a very important project. You wanted to put them in cages to try to control them. I want them to be able to roam free.” I pointed down, where we could see the creatures scurrying about, fighting and eating and mating and fighting. “Putting them in cages would be boring, they need to be free to interact to learn.”
The foreman shook his head in frustration. “You really do believe that you are all powerful, don’t you?”
“Yes.” I replied simply. This was begining to test my patience, I was getting both bored and angry with this conversation. I drew myself to my full height, and looked down on Lucifer the Light-bringer from infinite, and made him feel every inch of that stare. “For I am the Lord of this Universe, everything seen and unseen. Through me, all things are possible.”
Instead of trembling, the devil had an insolent smirk on his face. “Oh, really?” He asked, smugly.
Though I was already encompassing infinite, I drew myself up even larger. “Yes.” I replied, in a dangerous tone.
“Hah! Then can you make a stone so large that you cannot lift it?”
Instead of answering, I manifested a stone next to my aggravator and let it drop on his foot. Channeling a small amount of will, the rock started growing exponentially, the edge of it catching him, pushing and accelerating with tremendous force as the rock kept growing. When it was a sufficient order of magnitudes larger than the universe, I let it stop, and watched the bright angel fall off the side, tumbling into the infinite emptiness. I brought him to the base of the stone, and manifested in mortal form beside him as he began recovering his feet.
“Wow. That’s a pretty big rock that I made. I don’t think I can lift it.”
He scowled at me as I made a show of putting my shoulder against the base and pushing.
“That’s not what I meant!” He accused me.“That wasn’t the answer I was looking for.”
As I shook my head, my hair shifted around, not unpleasantly. I would have to try this mortal form again sometime. For now, I regained my form of infinite, as I regarded my one time friend. “Then ask the questions you mean, don’t complain about the answers.”
He shouted in defiance at me. "You cannot come up with a question that you cannot answer, can you?
“Of course I can. For instance, the number Pi, the ratio of a circles circumfrance to radius, is an infinite irrational number. Let me demonstrate.” I let the stone begin expanding again, accelerating exponentially. “No matter how large I make this stone, there will never be an integer relation between radius and circumference.”
“So?” he asked between gritted teeth, mashed against the wall of the expanding stone.
“So, it’s simple, what is the last digit of Pi? It goes on forever, it is a question that cannot be answered.”
Even in his discomfort, he still had a look of glee as he exclaimed. “Hah! That means that there is a question you can’t answer, so that you can’t be all powerful, you don’t know the last digit to Pi.”
I stopped the rock expanding, letting him fall again. “Actually, I do, it’s three.”
“Wha!, but you said it was unknowable.”
“It is unknowable, but it is also three.”
I could tell in his eyes he was going to give up, he knew he was beat. I erased the rock and brought him back to where this began.
I approached, and he hung his head, muttering under his breath, “Could you be any more incomprehensible?”
I stopped in my tracks, frowned, then headed to the basement to start religion.

Maybe the OP means Lúthien Tinúviel.

This is just one more branch of the “if god is X then why do we have Y”

Replace X with:

  1. merciful
  2. loving
  3. all powerful
  4. good
  5. just

etc

Replace Y with:

  1. famine
  2. disease
  3. murder
  4. insanity
  5. war

etc
The end of the equation is that there is no god… and 5000 years from now the entire concept will be no more thought a reality than Zeus throwing lightning bolts from the clouds of Mount Olympus.

Humans crave answers to things unknown, hence the fables, stories and legends and bible.

Cite for that second one there?

[QUOTE]

Yes

No

Disputable.

Yes

He certainly would and did

Yes

No

No

No

More or less

No

The concept believers have of Lucifer doesn’t have much to do with what is actually written in the scriptures.

(cute story deleted). Can you connect your tale to the Satan that is described in the Bible?

Here you go:

But I think you knew that, didn’t you?

Is your point that God’s omniscience (and the OP’s particularly strong interpretation of omniscience) are not directly attested in the Bible? That may be so, but they are certainly thoroughly traditional Christian doctrines, and, in reality, the Bible is not, and never has been, the only (perhaps not even the main) source of Christian doctrines. (For one thing, as has already been pointed out, very little of what many Christians believe about Satan has any basis in the Bible.) Heck, there wasn’t even a canonical Bible during the first few centuries of Christianity. Christian tradition has always been at least as important a source of Christian doctrine as has the Bible. (Despite what modern day fundamentalists and their mirror image, “new atheists”, like to pretend to believe.)

Look-this conversation/debate has to be baseed on something. If we just open it up to “My cite is the fact that someone, somewhere, sometime thought this was true” then we might as well shove this thread into IMHO or MPSIMS.

Dusty Rhodes (aka God) was booking Florida at the time. They’d just done good business with Dusty losing a loser leaves town match to Kevin Sullivan, and returning under a mask as The Midnight Rider, so they decided to keep milking the angle. Sullivan lost a loser leaves town match, and since he’d been working an implied devil worship gimmick, he returned under a mask as “Lucifier” to continue the feud with Dusty/Rider.

Given the OP’s giant-sized lettering, I’m only concerned with what’s in the Bible.

If the OP’s giant-sized lettering is off the table, I’d be happy to address your point about Christian doctrine – by mentioning that I happen to be Jewish.

Why did God create Lucifer Morningstar? (Satan)?

Because He likes a Great Debate as much as anyone. :smiley:

Which one are we discussing here-Lucifer or Satan?

To create every possible being and have them all desire to serve God in the end regardless of how they start, and any pain they create will bring about a greater joy in the end.