Why do Christians — America’s most populous religious group — feel so victimized?

Do non-Christians get to come out against gay marriage or whatever “long standing, traditional, historical precedent-sanctified” intolerance of your choosing and not get called names ? No ? They get called on their bigotry too ?
Then Christians aren’t being persecuted.

Do other religions get a pass on the actions their followers perform that go against existing laws and mandates based on their beliefs, that Christians do not ? No ?
Then Christians aren’t being persecuted.

Religious beliefs, no matter how dearly held, are neither license to nor exemption from… anything, really. Certainly not to disregard this or that bit of the law. If you hate the law, vote against it. Once it’s in, you get to obey it. That’s how laws work.

And people are routinely denied from following their dearly held beliefs anyway, religious or not. We don’t get to avenge murders ourselves, or torture the pedophiles that gang raped and killed our children. We don’t get to decline to pay taxes when we abhor the wars they fund. Christians get to pay for birth control* like everybody else *and have to endure the thought of gays being happy.
It’s positively horrid, I know. That’s society for you.

I think this is spot on, especially the part about how a sub-set of Christians perceive the shifting of society to a more secular outlook as a direct threat and how that movement towards secularism makes them feel both threatened and persecuted/victimized. I think it’s hard for folks on this message board to really be able to put themselves in the shoes of fundamentalists Christians (I know it’s hard for me to do so…or even non-fundamentalist <insert any religion>).

…But even then the definition of “persecute” is so broad as to be virtually meaningless. We aren’t raiding their compound, burning their home, violating their rights… We’re being unkind to them. In ways that will at best make them feel bad about the things they’re doing. Weare doing that because they’re assholes. That’s not persecution! That’s the type of negative social reinforcement that is almost the defining characteristic of how a modern society deals with situations like that.

Among other reasons. But that’s part of the point - much of the board laps up this kind of thing coming from one point of view, and whines about it coming from another.

Regards,
Shodan

Is it persecution in both cases? Or just against Christians?

Care to provide examples, elaborate, or just generally explain what you’re on about?

The main reason is that Christians are constantly trying to harass, persecute, tyrannize, assault and kill people in the name of their religion. They need a justification for that, and as many groups have done they choose to tell themselves they are the ones being persecuted, oppressed and plotted against. What they are doing isn’t persecuting the innocent; it’s defending themselves from such terrible threats as homosexuals getting married, women not being slaves or evolution being taught in schools. If some Christians beat some gay guy to death they aren’t brutal bigots in their own eyes; they were defending themselves from the gay menace.

There’s also a strong element of masochism running through Christianity.

I think it’s because they are not in such a privileged position as they were in the past. Back in the “good ol’ days” no one cared if public schools had prayer. No one cared if you put the 10 Cs up in a Courthouse. Christianity was the default religion (except in New York and LA with those Jews, but they weren’t so bad).

And they didn’t have to share Christmas and Easter with those non-Christian religions what with their Hanukka (sp?) and what-not.

And God forbid they should be disappointed! :smiley:

There is a diagnosed condition of persecutory delusion. Probably not quite what you’re talking about, however, if everybody has what you’re talking about.

From Lest Darkness Fall, by L. Sprague de Camp (a Connecticut Yankee story – 20th-Century American archaelogist Martin Padway finds himself transported by a bolt of lightning to 6th-Century Rome; in need of money, he has just invented/introduced the process of distilling wine into brandy):

From The Next American Nation (1995), by Michael Lind:

N.B.: Hostile ill-treatment of Christianity != hostile ill-treatment of Christians.

Wouldn’t that empty the word of any useful meaning?

Probably because a corporation might use that argument to get out of anything, even paying taxes. And you and I as individuals don’t get to do that.

Don’t worry, they never will.

:dubious: Of course it does. You don’t really believe that the 1%ers are “persecuted” when people say harsh things about them or propose raising their taxes, do you?

Everyone is a victim nowadays. Maybe we should blame the self esteem movement. Or maybe the internet just brings out the drama queen in everyone.

By that standard, temptation is a form of persecution!

It’s undeniable that historically Christians have been persecuted, tortured, burned alive. It’s also undeniable that the people doing it were other Christians. No one else gave a toss about idiotic stuff such as was Jesus co-equal with God, was Mary born without sin, was that guy with the silly hat the heir of Peter, but Christians happily burned each other for it.

Sounds an excellent book, I must read it. And she’s right. Christians love the idea that they’re being persecuted, they’ve grown up on fictional accounts of early martyrs, they want to feel as if they’re valiant defenders of Truth too, when the reality is no rational person cares what their dumb beliefs are as long as they don’t try pushing it down everyone’s throat.