Hillary missed a bet by not saying “vote for me - I am a better Christian than Trump”.
Regards,
Shodan
Explain this, please.
Are you going to pull that “No True Christian…” crap?
Because those three are national leaders of the Christian faith.
Not one of those people called him a “christian example”. It is absurd on its face. The closest is “Donald Trump lives a life of loving and helping others as Jesus taught in the Great Commandment” which still does not set Trump up as a “christian example”. And comparing him to past “flawed leaders” definitely doesn’t. Especially non-christian past “flawed leaders”.
So they had to utter that exact phrase, otherwise nothing else they say counts?
What do you consider a “Christian example”?
Obviously, someone whom you’d want other Christians to model themselves after. That’s what a “christian example” is.
Show me a Christian leader who said that about Trump and you’d convince me.
Wow, that quote in post #4 up there represents the most arduous mental gymnastics that I’ve ever seen from any Christian pundit, ever.
They must realize that, if Trump goes under, they will be caught up in said avalanche, right? Putting all of your (political and moral) money onto such a person is a fool’s bet.
So despite three prominent Christian leaders claiming that Trump lives his life according to Christian principles, if they don’t use the magic phrase “Christian example”, it doesn’t count?
Are you fucking serious?
That one is more than close, it’s pretty much the definition of a 'christian example".
You apparently didn’t read what I posted. I will repeat.
A “christian example” is someone whom you’d want other Christians to model themselves after.
Show me a Christian leader who said that about Trump and you’d convince me.
There were quotes from three very fucking prominent Christian leaders. Why are you rejecting those?
Because they did not talk about Trump as someone whom Christians should model themselves after. Which is what a “christian example” is.
I feel that this is turning into an Islam vs. Radical Islam type of debate - where someone will cite a few examples of people saying something religiously extreme, and then someone else will say, “That’s only a few such speakers out of a billion people, not representative.”
As rarely as this happens ;), I agree with you on this.
Conservative / evangelical Christians, and prominent leaders in those churches, like the ones quoted, have tied themselves up in knots trying to square their beliefs with supporting a candidate (and now president) whose life and behaviors have often been very strongly at odds with their beliefs. Quotes like those are essentially saying, “look, he’s trying, and that’s enough for us!”
Many of them truly believe that the U.S. is a doomed country due to what they perceive as moral decay, and the only way to save the country is with conservatives / Republicans in control of all three branches of the government.
I suspect that any of them who are really truthful about their support of him are in group (2) in Velocity’s list: they hold their noses, and look the other way regarding Trump’s history of horrid behavior, because of the promise of conservative judges, conservative Supreme Court justices, and a Republican president who’ll sign bills that made it out of a Republican Congress.
Nobody with any common sense would judge a politician as worthy or unworthy based on religion. For that matter, nobody with any common sense would judge anyone else period based on religion.
Judge not, lest ye be judged. Matthew 7:1 (two “ts” in Matthew)
One can play this game all day.
Oh, really?
Feminists voted for Clinton - why can’t Christians vote for Trump?
Regards,
Shodan
Because they ripped Bill Clinton a new one for his antics and Trump has done far worse.
As quotes upthread showed, evangelicals were bending over backwards to ignore Trump’s moral failings and even said that character was not a factor.
A frequent (paraphrased) quote was “There shouldn’t be an adulterer in the White House”.
Trump makes B. Clinton look like an amateur and yet he’s acceptable.
Maybe they should have been honest and just say they want a Republican no matter how morally repugnant he may be.
I guess honesty is something Christians no longer practice.
I can’t find the cites, but I recall articles talking about how Trump was becoming more Christian or having a better heart than in the past.