Why do people hate Hillary Clinton so much?

This found its way into my email box a couple days ago. I was wondering if any knew of the truthfulness of the story. It feels and smells like one of those “Urban Legend” things to me, like the story of Janet Reno and her definition of what a cultist is.

Here’s the story:

>Back in 1969 a group of Black Panthers decided that a fellow black
>named Alex Rackley needed to die. Rackley was a fellow Panther
>suspected of disloyalty. Rackley was first tied to a chair. Once
>safely immobilized his ‘friends’ tortured him for hours by, among
>other things, pouring boiling water on him. When they got tired of
>torturing Rackley, Black Panther member Warren Kimbo took Mr.Rackley
>outside and put a bullet in his head. Rackley’s body was later found
>floating in a river about 25 miles north of New Haven, Conn.
>
>Perhaps at this point you’re curious as to what Happened to these
>Black Panthers. In 1977, that’s only eight years later, only one of
>the killers was still in jail. The shooter, Warren Kimbro, managed
>to get a scholarship to Harvard. He later became an assistant dean
>at Eastern Connecticut State College. Isn’t that something? As a
>'60s radical you can pump a bullet into someone’s head, and a few
>years later, in the same state, you can become an assistant college
>dean! Only in America!
>
>Erica Huggins was the lady who served the Panthers by boiling the
>water for Mr. Rackley’s torture. Some years later Ms. Huggins was
>elected to a California School Board. How in the world do you think
>these killers got off so easy? Maybe it was in some part due to the
>efforts of two people who came to the defense of the Panthers.
>These two people actually went so far as to shut down Yale
>University with demonstrations in defense of the accused Black
>Panthers during their trial. One of these people was none other
>than Bill Lan Lee. Mr. Lee, or Mr. Lan Lee, as the case may be,
>isn’t a College dean. He isn’t a member of a California School
>Board. He is now head of the U.S. Justice Department’s Civil
>Rights Division. O.K., so who was the other Panther defender? Is
>this other notable Panther defender now a school board member? Is
>this other Panther apologist now an assistant college dean? No,
>Neither!
>
>The other Panther defender was, like Lee, a radical law student at
>Yale University at the time. She is now known as the “smartest
>woman in the world.” She is none other than the Democratic
>candidate for the U.S. Senate from the State of New York----our
>lovely First Lady, the incredible Hillary Rodham Clinton. Pass this
>on!

Can anyone confirm this tale?

False. Check it out at

You can take this FWIW, but there is a radio talk show host (very Libertarian slant) based out of Atlanta (although I beleive he is Now broadcast nationwide) named Neil Boortz. He claims to have written this piece.

What does your post have to do with your title?

Do you want the answer to your title question, or just confirmation/denial of the Black Panther story (which you already have)?

her being from the left isn’t enought to deserve my hatred. Trying to take over the entire US healthcare system (I think it is about 1/7th of the US eccomny) while having no official position gets it going. add in the lies. then the media;s apparent love of her. And top it off with her NY election atempt - what the f&^* does she know about NY, and she thinks she can just stroll in and take over the place. I am seriously thinking of moving out of this state if she gets in

While your OP was answered, several answers to your title question can be found here:

Why do people hate Hillary so much?

I agree with everything K2dave said. My mother (who’s from Manhattan) passionately hates Hillary for running in mom’s home state. Myself, I wasn’t endeared with her socialize-health-care plans to begin with, but do you know who she based her model on? Canada. Nothing against the Canadians. You’re great people. However, YOUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM SUCKS! YOU KNOW IT AND I KNOW IT! Seriously, Canada’s healthcare system is near collapse. We really do not want to copy it.

Boy. The world turns in awfully funny ways. Since I’m about to convery two personal stories, there’s no way to cite proof. Take 'em or leave 'em, they both happened to me this year.

On March 3, 2000 my children became US Citizens. The ceremony was held in Chappaqua, NY- the new home of the Clintons. Mrs. Clinton attended this little ceremony. There was ZERO media in attendance. She came because it was a good thing for her to do, as far as her new hometown went, and I think because she found it enjoyable to see kids become Americans. ( I had also called her office, and just plain invited her. Didn’t know it was already tentatively scheduled in ).

Instead of becoming a Media Circus, it was wonderful. Each family trod up onstage, and she actually presented each child with their Citizenship Paper.

Her speech was short, kindly and heartfelt. I'm no huge fan even now, but I got to see her out of the massive spotlight. It was a priveledge not a burden.

Second story, also true. A month to the DAY after that day with my family, I stood less than a foot from the doors to the Oval Office, on the flagstone terrace that runs beside the West Wing. ( To be honest, I hit the glass with my camera, but it was a tap, and earned a glare from a Secret Service person, but nothing more). I was a cameraman on the “Leonardo DiCaprio/ President Clinton Interview”. I have nothing to say here about the event, and the aftermath. I only mention it because HE had great things to say in passing about HER. I witnessed these Off-Camera comments first-hand. It’s one thing, I feel, to batter a marriage and suffer in private. They’ve done this in public. I feel as though people hate her because of the situations of the last 8 years, and especially the last 2 or 3.

 Her savvy, experience and contacts make her- hands down- the only intelligent choice as the next Senator from New York. It doesn't matter if you hate her, it only matters if she can do the job efficiently, and with grace. I feel that she's got it in her to do so. That was my impression that day, in March. It's still my impression.

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You think she should be the next Senator of New York because she kissed your babies? ( apologizes if they are not babies) I thought all poloticians kissed babies? But what do I know I’m not form New York.

Perhaps because, regardless of her good deeds or intentions, however heartfelt, there is the definite impression that there is no limit to which she will not go and no humiliation she will not endure to achieve power / be in power / stay in power and hang onto power to the expense of all else even her own self respect. In and of itself this hardly a remarkable thing for a politician to do but it is surprising and a bit disconcerting to see it so nakedly displayed in a first lady.

Perhaps the aforesaid impression is false but her behavior to date has hardly served to disspell this sense about her.

The main problem with Hillary is that she is one of those intellectuals who know what is best for everybody (themselves excluded - remember that the 1980’s was decade of greed and evil capitalism for most of the country, except for one savvy cattle trader living in Little Rock). Her take seems to be that the great majority of the population is made up of ignorant peasants that could not tie their own shoes if it were not for Big Momma Government. If we were only smart enough to realize that she and her husband and the others like them are only doing what they do to help us, this world would be a much better place in which to live. To think otherwise, it proves you are stupid and was taken in by the lies of the vast right-wing conspiracy.

The factual part of the OP having been answered, and there already being a Hillary! thread in the Pit, I’m moving this thread to Great Debates for further discussion on the merits of Mrs. Clinton.

I think that there are many reasons to hate Hillary but the main reason that conservatives hate her is because she is a liberal with influence. This makes her a dangerous enemy and they will go to whatever lengths possible to destroy enemies. Of course, liberal politicians also will go to great lengths the destroy an enemy.

She is hated because she is feared. Not an uncommon situation.

Answers and acknowledgements:

Pepperlandgirl: Thanks for the URL, much 'preciated!

cmkeller: actually, both. To explain, I’ve been paying attention to presidential elections since '72. I willfully acknowledge I’m hardly an unbaised observer, I DO try to judge each side on their merits and achievements and vote for which candidate I think is the best.

But I have never seen so much scorn and hatred heaped upon a person as the conservatives did to Hillary during the '92 and '96 campaigns. And she wasn’t even running of office! She was merely candidate’s wife. No other First Lady has been given such treatment. Roselyn Carter sat in on Cabinet meeting (something I have mixed feelings about) yet she was never vilified the way Hillary was.

I don’t see her as any better or any worse than any other pol in Washington. Yet many commentators seem to go out of their way to be particulary nasty to her.

We all laughed when Hillary made her “vast, right-wing conspiracy” comment a while back. But given the stuff that ciculating on the 'Net and what’s being said about both Clintons, I’m beginning to wonder.

[ No other First Lady has been given such treatment.]
or such power -could we impeach a 1st lady?

Freyr wrote:

Except for Nancy Reagan.

I swear, half the Hillary Clinton jokes out there are nothing more than recycled Nancy Reagan jokes.

You think Hillary and Nancy got blasted by the media and political opponents? Go see what was said about Eleanor Roosevelt! I don’t think any other first lady was ever so hated.

First ladies with opinions always get pilloried. “She wasn’t elected; what is she doing mouthing off?” That does have some validity, of course. Pretty, silent first ladies like Jackie and Pat are the ones people love.

I don’t dislike Hillary, I think she’s smarter than her husband and no crookeder than any other politician. But of course she’s a carpetbagger when it comes to the New York race. Lazio will probably win; he’s bland enough not to offend anyone.

Hmm. Not to take anything away from Eleanor Roosevelt, but, Eve, I’m going to have to take exception- I think Mary Todd Lincoln was probably more hated than Eleanor Roosevelt. Being a very eccentric clothes-horse was bad enough, but the fact that she had several cousins fighting for the South in the War led people to create amazing conspiracy theories of how she was truly a spy, constantly keeping Jeff Davis informed on what the U.S. Army was planning.

Of course, we could start a “Who was the most hated First Lady?” thread to go along with the “Who was the most hated President?” one currently on the rounds.

Well, OK, you may be right, John. But Mary Todd was hated for understandable reasons—not reasons I agree with, but . . . “She’s nuts!” “She spends too much!” “She’s a durned Southerner!”

Eleanor Roosevelt was hated because she was SMART.

Wonder if Ellen Axsen Wilson had to put up with that? James “Nancy” Buchanan was smart to be a “gay bachelor.”

Eve said:

You think Hillary and Nancy got blasted by the media and political opponents? Go see what was said about Eleanor Roosevelt! I don’t think any other first lady was ever so hated.


I see your point. My point then turns to, where out and out lies told about Eleanor? The email I got shows that people are distributing horribly distorted stories or wholesale lies about her. Was the same done to Eleanor?

Politics has never been particularly honorable, but it does seem to have dropped to a new level of nastiness lately! :frowning: