What exactly did she do to make her so horrible? Democrats, I don’t need to hear your opinions. I actually kinda know what that side thinks. This is a genuine question so that I can maybe understand where some of my colleagues are coming from.
I work with a large number of otherwise rational, intelligent, seemingly non bigoted (with one or two exceptjons) people who will frequently go on long echo chamber rants about how “no matter how crazy Trump may seem they will never vote for Hillary.” Some of them are moderate Trump supporters, some of them hate that they have to vote Trump to keep “that woman” out of office. But #neverhillary is something that gets posted a lot on our slack channel when the conversation turns to politics. (we do most of our communication virtually. We are spread across several states with most of us in Ohio, Indiana, and Pennsylvania. Some in Kentucky and the Carolinas)
For the life of me I can not figure out why Hillary Clinton seems to be the devil. What the heck did she do to make her any worse than any other career politician? I’m not exactly a Hillary fan (I’m about a mile to the left of her politically) but the hate here doesn’t make any sense.
What I get from my RW friends is that she is part of a corrupt clan that has robbed people for decades, all the way back to when Bill was head honcho of Arkansas. They (supposedly) have a vast network of people they control in different parts of government that lets them get away with anything. Basically they consider the Clintons to be a modern mafia.
Specific example that has one friend who holds a top-secret clearance going ballistic is that if he mishandled sensitive info he’d be in prison, the Clinton “gets away with it”. Because the corrupt gov officials she controls. And laws don’t apply to her. And so on. He’s very upset about it.
Another one doesn’t like Trump but said he could never vote for someone advocating for the legal murder of millions of babies.
It all goes back to the Tammy Wynette comment in the 60 Minutes interview pre-election in 1992, and some other comment she made around the same time about staying home and baking cookies or something like that.
That set a lot of people against her and once you dislike someone, you’re always looking for more reasons to, whether they’re true or not.
I get the feeling that one of the factors is that she’s been around such a long time. People who are predisposed not to like ‘her sort of person’ (competent authoritative women) have had long enough to get up a really good head of steam about her specifically - and they don’t even particularly care if they don’t remember any reasons for it because ‘oh well, I’ve known she was a bad lot since the 1980’s … I must have had some good reason even if I can’t quite bring it to mind’
So basically, the Clintons are like Frank Underwood in real life. Ya’ know… I’m kind of okay with this. She may be able to actually get shit done if this is indeed the case. Which I’m not saying it is.
That’s my thought as well. If she’s done even half the stuff the RW accuses her of and yet never been caught she’s a genius master mind. Sounds like someone we’d want as president.
People dislike her for no reason whatsoever. It’s the theme so far.
Back in the real world of people who actually don’t like HRC, and don’t like Trump, which was the OP specification, not why do Trump supporters not like Hillary Clinton, there are definitely reasons.
I have a big problem with the Clinton’s going from ‘dead broke’ to centi-millionaires in a few years through what I see mainly as influence peddling. It’s neutral IMO whether Hillary rode Bill’s coattails to where she’d be considered a serious Presidential nominee on her own; maybe instead the old joke is true*. But it set up a unique situation where an ex-President’s ‘foundation’ was also a conduit for buying favor with a likely future President. The situation stinks to high heaven IMO.
It’s fine if others have no problem with the Clinton money/influence thing (‘everybody does it’, ‘Trump is so bad it doesn’t matter’, etc.). But if the response is linky-linky to some web page ‘debunking’ this problem, sorry not buying it.
I also think she’s wrong on most issues, especially after her sharp turn left to dodge Bernie Sanders, I don’t think those policies are good for the country. But I don’t take that to really be the question. I respect Sanders more than the Clinton’s though I agree with him even less than I do with them, especially bad old moderate Bill (painful for anyone to see him fake applauding speaker after speaking at DNC essentially ripping his whole approach as President).
It’s not a defense of Trump. The question wasn’t ‘why do you like Trump?’, and I don’t, at all.
*Bill and Hillary Clinton are driving near her home town. They stop to get some gas, whereupon Hillary recognizes the station attendant as a high-school boyfriend. After they drive off, Bill tells her, smugly, “See, if you’d married him, you’d be working at a gas station.” Hillary smartly replies, “If I’d married him, he’d be President.”
This is pretty much what I was getting at, and your post makes a bit of sense. Are you planning to vote Trump in November?
The people I work with were, in the primary season, pretty anti Trump for the most part. Most were pretty strong Rubio supporters. But are now so anti Hillary that they are mostly voting Trump because they live in Battleground States and feel like they have to. The ones that don’t seem to mostly be leaning to Gary Johnson and one guy is going to not vote at all. But the common thread is they all hate Hillary more than they dislike Trump and would rather see him elected than her even though they think he will be a disaster.
(politics comes up a lot for… Reasons, and I am 1 of two liberals at work so when they start it just goes on and on and on. )
My line of work is predominantly male. They think Hillary will be worse. I’m trying to figure out why, but I’m not going to open up that can of worms with them directly. I do work with a lady in Florida who spends a lot of time doing GOP volunteer work. She was all in on Rubio. The last time we spoke about this she also said she could never vote Hillary and would probably vote Trump because he was the nominee. But this was weeks ago and before the DNC.
Thanks for this thread, because I wonder this too. I don’t really *trust *Hillary, I don’t want the Clintons back in the White House, and even I am puzzled by the insistence that she’s a criminal by such a great number of people.
I think it’s different things for different people. Or I hope it is, because then it might actually be rational.
My mother is very pro-life. She has a problem with someone as glibly dismissive of fetal rights as she believes Hillary to be.
Anti-war voters aren’t exactly thrilled with anyone who gave Bush authorization to invade Iraq.
Some people see HillaryCare and ObamaCare as corrupt subsidization of private insurance companies.
I assume some people find Bill Clinton creepy and don’t trust someone who’d stay married to him.
There is a weird thing that may be behind this: Supposedly, Hillary made enemies of the Washington press corps immediately on coming to Washington, when she was understood to have kicked press ouf the west wing of the White House. So lots of people in the press had a less-than-rational bias against her that came through in their writing, and then that passed onto their audience memetically.
After a while, it seems like everyone around you hates her, so you hate her too, even if you don’t know why.
What you may be missing is that very, very many Americans identify as conservatives and feel they must oppose the Democrats ideologically. Hillary’s worse to them as a corrupt Democrat, or as a progressive Democrat, or as an enemy of traditional Christianity…there are different flavors.
As the only Democrat in my town (not verifiable but I’m leaning heavily to it being true) the general consensus I’ve heard is that Hillary is a lying, cheating, murderous no good politician who has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. My mother refers to her as ‘that woman’, and is thoroughly disgusted whenever she sees her on tv and immediately changes the channel. This is always accompanied by the comment ‘I can not STAND that woman’. On the rare occasion I’ve asked for a reason why she can’t stand her, it usually boils down to that she’s a liar and untrustworthy and her face just grates on her.
Mrs. C has been in the public eye basically for 25 years and just the sheer volume of charges against her constitute proof, at least in the minds of some, that she is manifestly unfit for public office.
It’s not a matter of whether you like her or not. It’s a matter of how much you dislike the Orange sleazeball. People who don’t dislike the sleazeball see problems with Hillary.
w/ me it goes way back to Rose Law Firm / etc in Little Rock.
so i’m like lots of your moms & dads out there.
whole current email debacle was just ’ straw that broke camel’s back ’ in this 2016 election tho.
culmination of things , most of which were Hillary self inflicted… like Trump.
overall i’d guess that her " rules don’t apply to me – i’m never wrong " attitude is what irritates voters most , and that is baked into cake now.
doesn’t help that she’s held ZERO open press conferences in 2016. NOT EVEN 1 !!
not a whole lot she can do to change it - unless she blows Trump out in debates.