This site has the requirement for any pups purchased -
Is it that they insist on being the exclusive developer of that bloodline or what?
Can they actually sue you for breeding the pet dog you buy?
They are selling pet quality dogs and (as such) they are not suitable for breeding animals. The seem to specifically not want to sell to those crappy backyard breeders that we all know are out there.
In many non-breeding clauses, any off-spring are automatically the property of the people who sold the dog because the dog was not supposed to be bred. Also, some breed registries will honor non-breeding registration and won’t register any off spring from animals that have been marked as ‘non-breeding stock’.
Can they sue you? Well, you’re supposed to get the animal neutered by a competent vet, so it will be hard to break the contract any way. If you don’t get the animal neutered, they contract may allow them to take the animal back for breach of contract (even before any off-spring are produced).
That is not a reputable breeder at all, and they’re churning out outrageously expensive “giant malamute” :dubious: puppies at a pretty good clip.
No descriptions of sires & dams, no working or show titles…If I was going to spend $2500 or more for a puppy, I’d want to be able to research the lines to see if there was any pattern of dysplasia, heart and eye defects and so on.
In fact I did pay $2500 for a puppy…the guy breeds one or maybe two litters a year and most of the breedings were with dogs from Europe. All dogs in each pup’s bloodlines were extensively health tested and had achieved a lot in terms of working and sometimes show titles. My dog is a rick von burgthann grandson, and Donnerberg Rottweilers is an example of what a good breeder is. 
Lookhere - you can see sire and dam, look up their health records, see all the bloodlines. (That’s not who I bought my puppy from.) Compare that site to the spammy-looking Hudson’s one.
I’m betting the puppies are registered with a junk registry, the kind that you just send money and a form saying “I has purebred giant Malamutes” and they’ll send you as many certificates that you’re willing to pay for. The American Kennel Club does register some pups at a breeder’s request with a “limited” registration, which simply means that any progeny of that dog can’t be registered. Typically this is done in pups that have an obvious disqualification from the standard (I bought a long-haired Rottweiler puppy once who came with a limited reg.)
That contract is modified boilerplate.
I suppose they could sue you, but they probably wouldn’t bother. I don’t see that they’d suffer any harm if a buyer broke the contract; so damages would be negligable.
I suspect that in at least some cases, the seller does not want you to sell puppies from a line that they feel they created and want credit for.
This is it, exactly. It’s basically a non-compete clause.
Responsible breeders also understand that any dogs they sell are purchased to the exclusion of rescue dogs, and that unspayed/neutered pets only add to the endemic problem of unwanted animals. Not only is there no need to breed less-than-show-quality animals, there is a great need to prevent them from breeding.
I haven’t looked at that website and have no opinion about their quality or qualifications, but most reputable breeders require pet-quality dogs to be fixed.
The one dog breeder I have known well spayed/neutered her own pups, just to be sure. She did it because, as with all breeders, most of the dogs she sold were pet quality. Only the best of the best were allowed to reproduce.
Her dogs were good enough that any that she could easily sell show quality pups for ridiculous sums of money while requiring contracts that gave her complete control over the show and breeding future of the dog.
Owners paid her for the privilege of owning the dog, and then they paid all of the costs to show the dog whenever and where ever she wanted. Once the dog was grown and had a show record, then she would decide if it was a breeding quality dog (there are many traits that you can’t be sure of in a puppy). If it was deemed good enough to breed, the dog was bred when and where she said. The owners paid for it, and she got the pups. (I think the owners could work a deal to keep a pup or two, if they wanted, with the same stipulations.) If she decided it wasn’t a breeding dog, it was fixed at that time.
The point of purebreds is to keep and/or improve the specific qualities of the breed. If a dog does not do that, they are not breeding material and should not be bred.
No matter how many morons think that they should be able to sell puppies because they have an AKC registered dog.
ETA: IIRC, if you breached the contract, you had to return the dog. As I said, she fixed most pups before she sold them, so it wasn’t really an issue with the pet quality dogs.
Ferchrissakes, I’ve commonly seen houseplants sold at supermarkets and drugstores that come with non-propagation restrictions.
(Can’t imagine how they’d enforce that. Backyard flowerbed police?)
Here is their breeder qualification / FAQ. So, yes they do sell breeding animals (and of course, you pay extra for them – and that is NORMAL since your intentions are to make money off of the pup): HudsonsMalamutes.com / AlaskanMalamute.us - AKC/OFA Gentle Giant Alaskan Malamutes bred for temperament, quality and size - FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions - Why do you Limit Registration? We only want to have 1 litter. We want to become breeders, can you not limit the registration?
Here is their contract, their dogs are micro-chipped and the contract seems to be written to allow them to regain control of the dog if it ends up in a bad spot. Interestingly, if you breed a non-breeding animal, the contract allows them sue you for any money that you make from the pups.
I personally have no problem with a protective breeder. We’re talking about 100 pound dogs here… they are not easy to rehabilitate or place into homes. At least this breeder appears to be enforcing responsibility on the buyers of their pups.
On the other hand, they don’t show or compete their dogs (at least I didn’t see any records on the web site). So, they’re a bit too much like a back yard breeder for my taste.
Good luck if you’re looking for a dog, but if you don’t go to someone that actually competes their working breed dog, you may as well just get one from a rescue and not promote low quality breeders.
If they’re a show line, it’s not that they don’t want competitors with the same line, it’s likely that they only want the show-quality dogs representing and carrying on the line. I once read that some breeders euthanize up to 75% of their pups, only letting live those they feel will be a credit to their kennel name. In this case, they don’t kill the puppies, but try to make sure they aren’t out representing their line.
In horses with big breeding operations, they’ll off sell yearlings to slaughter with no papers so there’s no chance their farm name is attached to “inferior” product. If you see that a stud throws 50% of babies with inappropriate markings, etc, you’re less likely to chose to spend the time and money to breed your mare to him. That would hurt their business, so they kill babies who aren’t going to be exactly what they want to represent them, either in size, color, markings, etc.
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I’ve never heard of such a thing and it would be fraud. What are the names of the “large breeding operations” that have this practice?
My friend has a horse that was a washout from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police breeding program (too short, too brown). The RCMP’s culled yearlings and 2 year olds are desireable horses that fetch good money at their annual auction.
My folks once bought a Pembroke Welsh Corgi with that restriction. She had “harness” markings (faint light stripes in the shoulder area). This is a mark-down characteristic at dog shows for this breed, and the kennel didn’t want this puppy’s genes to be perpetuated. Still, she was a great family pet, and this restriction allowed the kennel to sell the puppy and improve the breed at the same time.
I have a friend who breeds Golden Retrievers. Puppies that he sells are spayed/neutered at ten weeks of age and then sold on or after twelve weeks. I don’t see a problem.
Responsible breeders breed animals only after carefully considering if the breeding is likely to improve the quality of the breed and generally the truly good breeders also support the rescue of homeless dogs of their favorite breed. Any responsible breeder would be horrified if one of their dogs went to some idiot who would allow their dog to have puppies “because I want my kids to see the miracle of birth” or just because they were too lazy to spay their dog. In addition to the likely outcome that random-bred puppies would not be improving the breed, those puppies would also guarantee the deaths of the shelter dogs who might otherwise have had the chance to go to those homes. That sort of senseless death is tragic if you care about dogs at all.
Yes, all of this.
I do know people who have responsibly bred a litter of pups or two, but they are all people very active in working and showing, and well-connected with lots of other dog people. Many of these folks are also involved in rescue at some level, too.
Typically, they have suitable homes lined up for any pup that shows potential for work/show (often before the actual planned breeding), and I can’t think of anybody that I know who would let a puppy go to someone online they didn’t know, or didn’t get to know before letting the puppy go.
A spay-neuter contract, or s/n the pups before they’re sold, is simply responsible. Pure bred dogs with either cosmetic or congenital health defects, simply shouldn’t be bred. There are enough unwanted, poorly-bred dogs as it is. Mixed-breed dogs are not intrinsically inferior to purebred dogs in any way.
I don’t understand this. Why is a pet quality dog not suitable as a breeding animal?
For someone interested in “improving the breed”, an individual animal that does not excel is not worthy of passing on its genes.
Personally, health and demeanor are all I’m concerned with.
I’m still not sure I understand. Do you mean that professional, licensed dog breeders consciously sell only the “lesser” animals as pets?
Not that I care much; I’m a cat man and believe in getting them from shelters.
Because they have traits that, to the breed enthusiast and purist, do not exemplify the best of the breed. It doesn’t mean that those aren’t good dogs, it just means that breeding them and passing on those traits is not in the best interest of the breed as a whole, and of that particular breeder’s program.
I have a purebred Lab from this kennel. She is the third dog I’ve bought from them for several reasons:
- because I like their overall appearance
- because I know that they breed for a good working temperament and trainability (and yes that’s very much an inherited trait)
- because they have done their utmost to screen for common common flaws such as hip, elbow and eye problems and I can be relatively assured that my dog will not have them.
- because they take the time to ‘prove’ their breeding dogs in as many facets of dog sport as they can. They are serious about the breed, not just pumping out puppies for money.
My dog is a lovely example of the breed, but I bought her as pet quality because I have no interest in keeping an intact female. I would sort of like to show in the breed ring, but not enough to have an unspayed dog around. So we are showing in Obedience, Rally, and soon will add Agility too. My girl is incredibly smart and willing to learn and please, which is what I wanted. She is however a bit on the shy side, which is bad for a gundog (the breeder’s focus) and probably not the best as even a run-of-the-mill household pet. The breeder knows me, knows I train, and felt comfortable sending her to me.
Breed people (for any species) are a weird lot. I think they may be a little like WoW or D&D folks - the minutiae really count, and are what holds them.
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If they’re a show line, it’s not that they don’t want competitors with the same line, it’s likely that they only want the show-quality dogs representing and carrying on the line. I once read that some breeders euthanize up to 75% of their pups,/QUOTE]
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I can’t stand dogs, and even I find that horrid.