Why do we as a society categorize people by their sexuality?

This is a question that has bothered me for at least 30 years. Our own individual sexuality is such a deeply personal thing it seems absurd to me that we as a society find it necessary to label people in this way. I personally am not concerned with anyone elses sex life except my own.

It is my wish that this not degrade into what is or is not right according to anyones personal religious beliefs, unless it’s directly addressing the question, so no passing judgement on any one please there are plenty of those threads already. I’m strictly concerned with labeling people by their sexual preference as a general practice of our society.

Human beings have been labeling people since the dawn of civilization and probably before that. Not only do we label people based on their sexual orientation but we do so for their station in life, their religious beliefs, and their race. (Yes I know race isn’t a biological reality so let’s not get into that.)

I’m not convinced that our sexuality is really all that deeply private in this society. For example when I wear my wedding ring in public I am telling the whole world about some aspect of my sexual life. They will label me as a married man and make certain assumptions and perhaps alter their behavior towards me. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Problems arise when people believe that any one label sums up everything that is important about that human being.

Marc

Well, if you actually want to have sex, then you’d better be concerned about the sex life of at least one other person. Sexuality is not a deeply personal thing, because sexuality, by its very nature, involves other people.

As far as catagorizing, I think it’s because a person’s sexual orientation defines how others interact with them. For example, as a straight guy, I would interact with a straight woman differently than a gay woman, because one interaction has a potential for developing a romantic relationship, while the other does not.

People’s sexual orientation shouldn’t matter as far as basic human rights and equality are concerned, but classifying people by their sexual orientation facilitates interactions between people by eliminating “false positives”, as it were.

I see two different questions being asked here.

The first question I see is why people categorize others by sexuality. I see this as any human attempt to categorize others – perhaps there is some underlying reason why humans appear to have a need to place labels on people and stick them into categories. This I would love to see someone address, for I am wholly unfamiliar with research in this area.

The second question I see is why the sexual preferences of others are important to us. Again, I am not qualified to adress this issue.

skankweirdall, are you wishing to address the issue of why people categorize others, or why the issue of sexual categorization is important?

Convenience. Personally, I don’t care about other peoples sexual preference. For me, its neck accessory preference. I am violently antipathetic towards bow tie wearers. Tucker Carlson, for instance. Lord, how I hate that guy! His being a homo cuts no ice with me at all.

Tucker Carlson is gay?

BTW, is it just me, or do you only see bow ties with suits worn by right wingers? No offense, just curious.

Yes, convenience.

As MGibson pointed out, we have a wide number of categories to put people in - young, old, rich, poor, bossy, meek, well-dressed, gay, nelly, butch… This is part of having a fun tool called “shared language.”

Additionally, most of us, I think, have special categories used by small social groups (e.g., our high school drama class), our families, and only in our own heads.

If you used your own unique personal system, and that system alone, to determine how people are and are not like other people, then you wouldn’t be able to have long catty discussions with your friends - wouldn’t that be a great loss? :wink:

I guess I’m asking both Lel. I understand the need for some labels, mechanic, carpenter, stock broker, I have no problem with that and it is in fact needed. A persons sexual preference is only important if you are going to attempt to have sex with them. I don’t have a problem with a label in that situation. Otherwise though it’s a non issue.

I guess what I’m really asking is what is it about society that pressures any nonheterosexual to have to come “out”? Come out from what? It shouldn’t even be an issue. It shouldn’t be a question to anyone else except a potential mate.

I’m racking my brain trying to phrase this better and I just can’t come up with anything right now. I hope you understand what I’m asking.

Sigh. Not for me it doesn’t.

Welcome to the SDMB anyway.

Homosexuals and bisexuals have to come out**[sup]*[/sup]** because, in general, heterosexuality is the assumed state of individuals. Coming out entails drawing attention to the fact that you are not part of this majority and revealing your actual–as opposed to assumed–sexuality.
[sub]***** Shortened version of “coming out of the closet.” As I understand, the English referred to gays living as straights as “living in the closet.” Hence, disclosing one’s homosexuality is “coming out of the closet.”[/sub]

Fair enough, that addresses the “what” part. But why is it necessary to draw attention to our sexuality? I don’t know about anyone else but even when I was looking for a partner I didn’t ask out every member of my prefered sex. In fact I would guess that I asked out relatively few. So knowing everyones sexual preference isn’t, in my mind, a necessity.

Thanks, that has helped to clarify my question. At least in my own mind.

Yeah, these things shouldn’t be an issue to anyone but a potential mate, but I think the evidence shows that some people decide to make this sort of thing their issue, for reasons of their own. Explaining this is beyond me. :wink: Actually, no, all of a sudden I have a theory about it, so I’ll give it a go.

I’d say that social groups are often based on an expectation of shared ground, certain traits that are ascribable to all members of the group. And that social groups can be pretty harsh on group non-members.

What are the traits of a social group? Well, that depends on the group. But it’s not uncommon that particular traits that are fairly common in the wider culture may be defining on a group – in the broader culture I’m most familiar, such traits are traits like heterosexuality, like having one’s sex match one’s genitals, like being Christian, like being monogamous. Some cultures might have expectations of ethnicity, of politics. Or other things.

Someone who makes a realisation about themselves that may be at odds with the group definition runs the serious risk of being removed from membership in the group if that information is known. (I tend to call this “being the green monkey”; there was a study at one point that removed a monkey from its troop, painted it green, and returned it with no other change, and it was violently driven off by former friends and kin.) Groups don’t often have lists of their subconscious expectations of what members will be, either, which makes it particularly rough for someone going through a realisation or a change which they expect could be taken hostilely.

And some groups are actually able to be flexible. Some, when realising that their “someone like us” parameters are out of whack with people who have been considered “like us”, discard portions of the parameters rather than discarding the person. I don’t know how common this is, overall, but it’s not universal.

Personally, I would rather a world where traits like orientation were not the sorts of things that provoked a green monkey reaction. I’d replace it with a world where being a jerk was the sort of thing that produced the same “not one of us” response, for example.

(I’d note that GD has its own examples of green monkeys: people who come in and posit their opinions without being willing to debate or discuss them, or founding them on sources that don’t pass group muster as acceptable support. The response to them looks to me like very often being “not one of us” green monkey treatment.)

Lilairen, interesting theory. You have however raised further questions in my mind that I need to formulate.

It seems to me that people label others just so they feel more comfortable knowing who they’re dealing with. Take gender for example. When babies are born, people immediately ask the parents, “Is it a boy or a girl?” Society is pretty dichotomous with gender, and it’s becoming that way with sexuality too (though heterosexuals are the majority). Of course, society’s straight vs. gay thing often lumps bisexuals and transgendered individuals with the “gay” label. I think people categorize people by sexuality because people are obsessed with sex and make a huge deal of who other people are attracted to.

Well, that well-known right-winger, Louis Farrakhan, is often seen wearing a bow tie :smiley:

Oh, if that’s your questions, then my answer is that “being nosy” is the answer. A person’s private life isn’t anyone’s business. A person’s public gender appearance may say all there is to say about their sex life, or it may not.
Some homosexuals feel they have to come out for personal or political reasons, some homosexuals feel otherwise.

The political reasons are usually something like stand up and be counted, don’t be forced to hide and live in shame… I understand that, although generally I think “don’t ask, don’t tell” is a good policy for one’s private life.

I understand the gender thing, and I don’t have a problem with that. There are after all two different models of the human being. I guess if we were asexual all this wouldn’t be necessary, would it?

I purposely avoided using “gay” for the very reason you mentioned. Obsessed? Maybe a segment, maybe even a large segment, but I think there are socialogical reasons that go beyond that as Lilairen pointed out.

And there’s this Ichabod Crane looking geek who comes on PBS Leher show, looks like a poster child for ineffectual liberal nerd. I see him, I keep wishing he was arguing for the other side. Anyway, he wears a bow tie.

I always thought of a bow tie as a empty gesture of eccentricity and individualism in an otherwise repressed and conventional person.

Hijack? Oh, right. Sorry.

Is exactly what I was addressing. It is the label itself that leads to this thinking. Why is the label necessary, or even there in the first place is my question.

Hijackers, thread crappers and general smart asses are always allowed in my threads. Feel free.