Why do you like Donald Trump as President?

[Miller]

@Ruined

Second the mod. I want to let you know that I put that there on purpose.

I was not under the impression that you had included it by accident.

I knew my post would be addressed the way it has and also knew that the recognition of that word tells me a lot about the person posting.

Not quite as much as it tells us about the person using it.

I do not use the word in question with sexuality in mind, I have a couple gay friends that reminded me I don’t need permission to use a word over the years after watching them use it in the same manner I do. This also has happened with the N word.

I don’t care about your gay friends. You will not use that language on this board again, or you will be banned.

I am a staunch defender of our use of language and it’s protections as a God given right. Disrespect is the same regardless of the word being used and I would hope that you don’t ban people for words in a forum dedicated to fighting ignorance.

There are no protections for you using hateful slurs on this message board. This board is privately owned, and what sort of language is allowed here is entirely up to the discretion of the owners. They have decided that they don’t want racial, sexual, or religious slurs used on this board. If you cannot follow this instruction, then you are not welcome as a guest here.

I have adjusted some of my opinions and how I will present them in the future thanks to some of the ideas discussed here. Thank you.

Well, if you’re open to advice, “I’m not a bigot, ya fags!” is not a convincing argument.

[enipla]

@eschereal

Please learn to parse. Ruined asserted that the EPA is a joke. What do you notice about that statement? How about “The EPA is a joke”. Note the present tense, which makes no reference to the condition or effectiveness of the agency at any point in the past. And who, again is currently in control of the administration of the EPA?

I understand that the work of that agency has been vilified by people and the pawns of people who are annoyed at being forced to behave responsibly. People who either fail to understand the larger concerns or just do not give a shit about anything but laziness and/or profitability. Those people are good fodder for manipulation.

@Ruined

He is close to disbanding the EPA because they are a joke.

I mis-quoted him. In any case, “The EPA is a joke” (my mis-quote) can be looked at in both present and past tense.

Anyway electing Pruitt is certainly a way to make the organization non-functioning.

[Morgenstern]

@elucidator

Americans are a people who demand all undocumented aliens be deported immediately, and when iceberg lettuce is ten dollars a head, they’ll blame Hillary.

I’m still waiting for the taco trucks on every corner. I thought that was a damn fine idea. I guess we won’t have that now.

[k9bfriender]

@postpic200

MAGA, yes many people think that the congress and the president should be putting America first. Deals should be made in the best interest of the US not kissing up to Mexico, EU, or any other country.

Just Wanted to focus on this one real quick.

For domestic policies, putting america first makes sense. You are talking about americans, in america, and putting them first is pretty much by definition what you are supposed to do.

When it comes to international policies, it’s a bit trickier. To put America first is to be an imperial power. If we insist on getting things our way, and use our military to back it up, we may get other countries to acquiesce to our demands, but only until we show our military to no longer be undefeatable.

[Slash1972]

@QuickSilver

How’s that going for them so far?

About as well as these people

[Try2B_Comprehensive]

Ruined, I want to understand why you think Trump’s tax cuts are a good idea. How do you justify trillion dollars deficits? Do you realize most of the cuts go to the wealthy, and most of the cuts for low earners are set to expire? The GOP has been hostile to Social Security and Medicare for decades- don’t you think they will use the crushing debts burden as justification for cutting or eliminating those programs? If that comes to pass, would it not amount to a massive transfer of wealth from regular people to the wealthy? How would that fulfill the Constitutional instructions to “ensure domestic tranquility” and attend to the “general welfare” of the citizenry?

[Skywatcher]

@Slash1972

About as well as these people

Or these people.

[QuickSilver]

@Slash1972

About as well as these people

@Skywatcher

Or these people.

At least coal mining jobs are booming.

[elucidator]

Thank Trump for clean coal!

[postpic200]

[QUOTE=Chimera;20963816

NOTE to all see about for the full text of the comments I’m responding too.

“Do you think emigration from Mexico will just crash to a halt?

No and in fact I want LEGAL immigration. If a person is willing to follow our laws then welcome, but if they come here illegally then they should be sent back immediately. I know one person who won a lottery to come into the US. She didn’t speak English, took a job cleaning bathrooms, even though she was well educated, but spoke almost no English. She worked hard and told me many times she cried herself to sleep, because she had no-one to talk too, but she now loves it here and tells everyone how lucky we are. So, immigration isn’t the real problem it’s those who have already proven they don’t respect our laws, who DEMAND we GIVE them citizenship that I have a problem with.

“…the fact that this whole argument is a bunch of shit when labor had been moving to cheaper countries (see: China) for a long time and the Republicans…”

I think you’ll find many Democrats and liberal leaning companies (cough apple) also made a killing sending job overseas also to just blame Republicans is unfair.

“It may shock you to hear/read it, but not all of us Liberals are ignorant about guns. A lot of us own them…. …. 2nd Amendment states “Well regulated militia”, not “complete absence of controls because FREEDOM”.

OK, well regulated meant in good working order, just like a watch that is well regulated isn’t a watch with a lot of regulations, it a watch in good working order. And in fact, when that was written citizens could buy anything they pleased, canons, multi shot rifles, etc. Personally, I think you’ll have a hard time finding any right that has been restricted as much as the 2nd. I never said ALL liberal are ignorant about guns, but I do have history on my side with government seizing guns without a warrant from many citizens, using registration list to threaten people who registered their legal gun only to have the state declare them illegal. Given the person admitted they owned a gun that is now on the ban list might give the police probable cause to search the house for said gun.

And have you listened to the politicians who are proposing the gun control laws? Many WANT a total ban, and have gone on record saying they want a total confiscation of guns. But, as I have pointed out too many on the left, just about all gun law will become mute, as 3d printing gets better and better. True right now a 3d printer capable of printing a semi-automatic gun is expensive. But the cost is dropping fast so soon it will be very cheap to print not only a semi-automatic gun but a fully automatic gun. Given that what make you or anyone else think the crooks are going to follow any law?

“Then as I will say to the end of time, the way to solve this problem is to treat the people who hire them as criminals and prosecute them.”

“My side” has said that repeatedly. I support a $10,000 per man hour worked fine of any business, CFO, President of any company, (yes all three would be fined) who knowingly hires or should have known the person they employ is not legal to work in the US. With the number of hours worked to be 2080 unless PROOF is provided that said person worked fewer hours. But given that is already law (the fine is very small) it would just need to be updated with much stiffer penalties.

[postpic200]

@QuickSilver

How’s that going for them so far?

For many people it’s going good. They understand that you can’t fix all the problems overnight, and the fact it seems to be working for them helps.

[QuickSilver]

@postpic200

For many people it’s going good. They understand that you can’t fix all the problems overnight, and the fact it seems to be working for them helps.

Could you be more specific about the things that are “going good” that can be directly attributed to actions/policies of the Trump administration?

[dropzone]

@Skywatcher

Or these people.

Where do I get cauliflower leaves? I’m a fan of all things cabbage (Wife once corrected me saying, “They’re all mustards,”) and they sound awesome.

[Skywatcher]

@postpic200

NOTE to all see about for the full text of the comments I’m responding too.

You’ve been here for nearly 10 years and never learned to manually quote?

[Slash1972]

@postpic200

“My side” has said that repeatedly. I support a $10,000 per man hour worked fine of any business, CFO, President of any company, (yes all three would be fined) who knowingly hires or should have known the person they employ is not legal to work in the US. With the number of hours worked to be 2080 unless PROOF is provided that said person worked fewer hours. But given that is already law (the fine is very small) it would just need to be updated with much stiffer penalties.

Considering how “your side” has Congress and the President, you’d think if they really supported this, the laws would have been passed already. But I haven’t seen any. Have you?

[postpic200]

@k9bfriender

Just Wanted to focus on this one real quick.

For domestic policies, putting america first makes sense. You are talking about americans, in america, and putting them first is pretty much by definition what you are supposed to do.

When it comes to international policies, it’s a bit trickier. To put America first is to be an imperial power. If we insist on getting things our way, and use our military to back it up, we may get other countries to acquiesce to our demands, but only until we show our military to no longer be undefeatable.

Putting America first means getting the best deal we can for America. Do you think China, Mexico, etc are sitting back going, you know it’s a bad deal for us, but we’ll agree anyway? China is looking out for surprise China, Mexico is looking out for Mexico. Many people have seen the government taking bad deals, NAFTA is an example, we gave away a lot, and hurt a lot of Americans in the process. Mexico got a far better deal then we did. Free trade is a good idea, but as the EU has found out, the economies of the members countries have to be similar. If you have one country with much lower wages you have business moving to said country. And if you have open boarder you have people flooding the richer country.

Now as long as we don’t force countries to do business with us ie military force, if they don’t like the deal then they don’t buy our goods or sell us their goods. If we need or want their good then we’d need to make a deal. And we should get the best deal we can.

[Budget_Player_Cadet]

@Ruined

It will always be a hill I’m willing to die on, yes.

Congratulations! You’re an asshole!

If you want to say “The government wants to punish me for saying ‘fag’, please help,” me and a good portion of the rest of the board’s liberals will be right there to protect your right to free speech.

But if you want to say “The moderators on a private forum want to punish me for casually throwing out slurs, please help,” me and most of the rest of the people with our heads screwed on straight will tell you to fuck right off. Because, as it turns out, your right to free speech does not negate our right to free association, and most of us just don’t wanna hang out with the kind of people who will casually throw out “fag”, any more than we’d want to hang around that one guy who keeps talking about how he hates niggers, or that one guy who keeps talking about how the world was so much better when all those uppity bitches knew how to stay in the kitchen.

Or, to put it more bluntly:

I am a staunch defender of our use of language and it’s protections as a God given right. Disrespect is the same regardless of the word being used and I would hope that you don’t ban people for words in a forum dedicated to fighting ignorance.

I welcome you to go up to your boss and say, “Hey you fucking faggot, bite me.” See how well that goes for you. See how far your “god given right” gets you.

[postpic200]

@Skywatcher

You’ve been here for nearly 10 years and never learned to manually quote?

Yes I have, but given the length of post adding the whole quote would have made the post very long. And given that in the past using a partial quote with … I have been accused of taking their words out of context. I felt it was better to point to the whole post rather then rehashing the entire post.

[postpic200]

@Slash1972

Considering how “your side” has Congress and the President, you’d think if they really supported this, the laws would have been passed already. But I haven’t seen any. Have you?

As I pointed out it already is law, it’s just the fines are very small. And yes I’ve brought up with both Dems, and Repub.

[postpic200]

@QuickSilver

Could you be more specific about the things that are “going good” that can be directly attributed to actions/policies of the Trump administration?

Coal mining is up, job number are up. More people are now working then when he took over. So it’s looking good to the average Joe. NATFA is up for renegotiation

Now I’m not silly enough to give Trump all the credit, nor did I give Obama all the blame, but Trump is and Obama was the face of America and they get the credit and blame even when it not their fault.