Why do you like Donald Trump as President?

BTW the law is

8 U.S. Code § 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens

Shit you must have been ecstatic at the end of Obama’s two terms then. When you compare the economy, jobs, prestige, military deaths, etc., they were ALL better than at the start of his 2 terms. You should have been crying because you couldn’t vote for Obama a third time.

I’m curious what you think when Trump tweets something 180 degrees opposite of something he tweeted three years ago. Or when he talks in circles or gives himself credit for every good thing happening in the country or says something so outlandishly inaccurate that no one, friend or foe, can deny just how wrong it was. Is that not important to you as long as he’s pursuing the policy goals you want him to pursue? Because it’s something I can’t understand or tolerate in the nation’s highest position.

You sure about that?

No, it quite clearly does not mean that their guns were in working order. It means the militia was regulated and organized.

The rest of that devolves into propaganda. “No right as heavily restricted as the second”? Pure bullshit. NRA lies and martyrdom. Don’t try to lie to me and tell me that Joe Schmuck in 1800’s podunkville could own his own cannon without being arrested or it being seized by the state.

Slippery slope argument. Since criminals aren’t going to follow laws, we shouldn’t have any, right? I mean, if that’s your argument for gun laws, then that equally applies to every single law we have, right? Or only in this case?

Alternately, every single person who has speeded ever is a criminal and speed limit laws should all be struck down because no one obeys them 100%, right?

Citation please? I have not EVER seen this as a proposal from any politician on any side. Have you spoken to your congress-critter about this? What is his or her answer, assuming you even got one?

And no, I’m not talking about easily paid or re-negotiated fines paid for by the company. I’m talking actual JAIL TIME for people who break this law. Run that by your congressman and see how quickly his/her head swivels and they laugh at you.

But his black and gay friends TOLD him he could say it! So he can’t possibly be a bigot!

I shared this link earlier on the current state of coal mining jobs. What are your thoughts?

I’m glad you have a reasonably balanced view vis-a-vis credit and blame. We don’t yet know the full impact that Trump’s policies will have on the country. But I don’t share your optimistic view of things looking good for the average Joe.

There is a difference between having a deal that is good for us, as well as for them, and a deal that is only good for us.

Nafta was the former. It was good for the United States. That it was “better” for mexico shouldn’t bother us. The reason that it was better for them was because they were starting from a lower point, and so small improvements in their trade made big improvements in their quality of life.

That a deal has to be bad for the other party in order for it to be good for one is zero-sum thinking. We live in a positive sum world, where generally, the better a deal is for the other party, the better it is for you as well.

And seriously? Fuck Coal. It’s the dirtiest source of energy around. We should not be trying to save it.

Every damned lake in my state has Mercury warnings for fish consumption. You know where that came from? Burning coal. Not just here, but everywhere. And that’s just the lakes, the same is true of all of the land as well. Not to mention other heavy metals and combustion residues.

Then there’s the mountains of coal ash, which are also toxic and harmful, as well as all of the energy burned hauling both coal and ash around.

This nation is full of ghost towns that boomed and then died. No one promised those people they would save their towns and guarantee them jobs to stay there.

Well, first oft I don’t think there shouldn’t be a term limit on the president. Second I didn’t like Obama’s policies in general. Just like there are policies of Trump’s I don’t like there were policies of Obama’s that I liked. I’m not 100% ra ra Trump nor did I 100% hate Obama. The reason I don’t give the president 100% the blame or credit is the president’s power is limited. For example the president can’t spend one dime, that’s congress’s job, but the president gets the blame for the deficit. To give credit or blame for the budget to the president is dumb as there is nothing the president can do.

What are some of the policies of President Trump that you don’t like?

It seems to me that Obama’s policies were responsible for the stock market increase and the decrease in unemployment during his two terms. Which policies, specifically, didn’t you like (besides ACA)?

Hillary said the same sort of thing and they went apeshit in WV. Bottom line is that you’re right. Fortunately there are some states enforcing stricter standards than the feds. But then, any potus who makes the EPA take down their web information on global warming isn’t part of the solution.

Have you ever been really out of work with NO prospects, with children to feed, needing money to buy gas, pay bills etc. I have. So jobs are important and coal jobs mean work, mean people can feed their kid, pay their bill, and NOT take handout from the government. Also given that coal provides about 30% of the electricity in the US, and given many on the left are against dams, nuclear, just how are you going to make up that 30%. Unless of course you like sitting in the dark.

Is it better to be alive and unemployed or dead because your employer decided you’re “expendable”?

Sure, coal jobs mean work. So do a lot of other jobs. What’s your fascination with “coal” jobs? Why aren’t you worried about “natural gas” jobs. Or “wind/solar power” jobs? Or hell, jobs that involve crab picking and businesses who are losing money because new visa rules mean they can’t hire anybody? Why coal?

Look at it like this. It’s far better for the world we’re leaving our children if we reduce or eliminate coal. Those who lose their jobs because of this deserve help. That help isn’t welfare, that’s an investment in a clean future.

Solar and wind generation are excellent options for some places and will require trained workers.

I have been poor, I’ve gone through bankruptcy. I’ve had this same discussion with other people on this board who just whined about how hard it is to leave family and go seek work. Yet this is what people have done since time immemorial. Chances are almost 100% that multiple ancestors of anyone in this country came here in poverty seeking work. (Offer void for Native Americans.)

And hand-outs from the government are not as shameful as years of right wing propaganda have made it. It’s both ironic and stupid how many of the people crying this got some form of government aid earlier in their lives and now pretend that never happened and no one else should get any help either.

Here’s the chart of US energy production by source. Coal has dropped significantly in the last 15 years as oil and gas became cheaper. Fracking has made gas significantly cheaper and so very few new coal plants are being built. That’s the Free Market at work.

As we go along, other sources (solar, wind) are growing in significance. Renewable energy sources now provide 31% of Germany’s energy, but only about 8-10% of ours. That will change over time, but no, it isn’t going to replace everything.

Like I said, Coal is the dirtiest energy source around, and we should not continue to rely on it as a major source of energy, because the pollution just keeps piling up.

Is it your impression that only poor conservative people from coal country experience financial hardships? You think people on the left are somehow immune or suffer less due to economic challenges?

That’s one thing that really bothers the heck out of me.

“Those poor coal miners deserve our help. We owe it to them to give them jobs.”

and

“Those poor minority people should get off their asses and find work. No one owes them a job!”

Out of the same mouths.

I’ll give you two. One, the wall. Yes I hate the wall, there are better and cheaper ways to deal with illegal aliens.

And how he handled the ACA, given there wasn’t a fix already in place. There were already much better proposal to fix our healthcare system, even when Obama was president.

Really, if you allowed Heath Care Groups of say at least 50,000 and no more than 130,00 people in a group with a standard policy. You could join a group from any state. That would go a long way to fixing our health care system. ACA came close but, missed the boat. Now I wouldn’t make you buy insurance if you didn’t want too, but I would also allow hospital refuse to treat you if don’t have insurance. And preexisting condition wouldn’t be covered for 10 if you waited until you were sick to get insurance. Yes, we’d help the poor pay for insurance, capping them at some % of income. I would also toss in medicare into that pool so everyone would have the same insurance, again lowing the cost.