Offspring of my brother, who would no doubt agree with everything she said, and so would his wife and my other niece, too.
One of my friends is aware of the vast chasm between them and me and remarked, “You’re so different from a lot of your family.” I replied, “GOOD.”
Her other major reason for not voting for HRC was that H. is pro-choice; niece is extremely opposed to abortion.
Perhaps not coincidentally, she’s also a YEC, and since she won’t vaccinate her two kids (another is on the way), she will be homeschooling.
And the screwed up bolding.
Did you mention to her that Trump has no problem with abortion?
I posted this thirteen years ago. I hope she’s happy that her kids won’t be able to get into a real university.
Most of my relatives support Trump but they’re not so far gone as to be antivaxers. If they were, I certainly wouldn’t let their kids visit nor would I visit their home.
Are you sure? A quick Google search Reveals His gag rules, the time he said there should be some form of punishment for women who have abortions, Etc.
Did he change his mind?
Let’s just say that his opinions have varied.
I hope you’re still reading, postpic200, and that you’ll thoughtfully respond:
Ok, the number of illegal aliens in the US according to the DHS, it estimates that 12.1 million unauthorized immigrants were living in the United States in January 2014
now according to Pew research there are 8 million unauthorized immigrants
also from the same site you will that 15% of constructions working are unauthorized immigrants.
You know numbers and stuff. Just because I’m sure of one item, that is illegal aliens have taken jobs from Americans and legal immigrants, isn’t the same as someone saying I’ve never lost a job to an illegal alien, because you don’t know for sure if the person they hired instead of you was in fact in the country legally.
Oh, I don’t think I’ve ever lost any technical writing jobs to undocumented immigrants. Maybe I’ve missed out on some that were outsourced, but that’s a different issue.
This. Their basic information - their input - is wrong or badly skewed.
GIGO.
I’ve lost exactly zero jobs to undocumented aliens. My work history: newspaper boy, kitchen cleanup, janitor, cashier, soldier, data input, sailor, human resources manager, security guard, teacher. I have applied for jobs that were advertised in certain other industries, including construction. What I have never seen advertised is a construction job (or any other job, for that matter) in which the employer does not list the benefits required by law for lawful workers but fills it with undocumented aliens. So, no; undocumented aliens do not take jobs away from American citizens. It’s horse manure. Stop saying it. It’s not true.
"Point 1: I see that illegal immigration is a major concern for you. Particularly people coming here illegally and working without valid work permits. Were you aware at the time you voted for Trump that he hired illegal immigrant workers to work in his hotels & properties? If so, why did you endorse a candidate who did the very thing you claim to be against? Was the hypocrisy of his campaign promises acceptable to you? "
Yes, I was aware of that, and had the law been $10,000 per man hour worked instead of a tiny fine. I’m betting (because he was in charge of the company and would have been personally fined along with the business, and the CFO) he wouldn’t have done it. It’s because the fines are so small that it “worth it” to take the risk. But I also aware that the Hillary campaign hired “Dreamers” and while they may have status under DACA, they are still in the country illegal. Now Hillary was for the wall before she was against it, she was against it. It seem to me she was picking her position on what she though would get her the most votes at the time.
Hillary Clinton Brags About Voting For A Border Fence To Keep Out Illegal Immigrants - YouTube
“Point 2: You said that NAFTA trade deal is fine between countries with compatible economic and regulation principles. Canada is one of the trade partners covered by the NAFTA agreement. Do you have objections to free trade with Canada? In what specific way was Canada taking advantage of the US within the context of NAFTA?”
There isn’t really a problem with free trade with Canada, as their economy is similar to ours, in fact we’ve lost business to Canada because of some of our silly law (U.S. Sugar Program which really need to be dropped), but their wages etc are very similar to the US. The “problem” with NAFTA is that it included Mexico which doesn’t have an economy similar to the US who’s pay is far lower then ours (their min wage is going up to approximately $4.25 USD though)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-bc-lt--mexico-low-wages-20170925-story.html
“Point 3: With respect to corporate tax cuts; are you a small business owner? In what way to you believe you stand to benefit from these tax cuts?”
I used to own a small business, and found the regulations, paperwork, etc too much of a burden to continue. I doubt that I will really benefit from the tax cuts. But then again I feel the government spends way too much money, that government should be much small with more power going to local governments as I feel the closer the government is to the people the better the peoples needs are met.
"Point 4: You have not mentioned the ACA. What is your opinion of the ACA and to a larger point, a national healthcare system that covers everyone? "
I have mentioned ACA, and while it’s a good idea, there were better ideas proposed. I don’t like the way it was push through. That whole "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy. " rubbed me the wrong way, apparently democrat think people can’t read.
“Point 5: Do you believe that Barack Obama was born a US citizen, or do you believe, like Trump, that he was born elsewhere and lied about his birth certificate? What are your thoughts about Trump’s years long campaign to malign and delegitimize the Obama presidency.”
I did have some question about that when first reported, but it quickly became a non-issue once it was report the documents had been inspected. As far as Trump’s effort to delegitimize Obama presidency, it was ago to issue to stir up the base. But you’ll notice once it was clear that stand would become a liability during his campaign he drop it. Did he really think Obama was not a citizen or did he used that as a lighting rod, I don’t know.
“Point 6: Do you believe that Trump has the moral character and intellectual fitness to hold the office of President of the United States?”
More than Hillary, yes, would I have liked to seen someone else sure. Like I’ve said before both choices were bad. We will never has someone running for office that I agree with 100% (unless of course I’m running then I’ll agree with myself 100% of the time). I’m not a single issue voter and there are times when you have to hold you nose and vote for the least worst person. I have and would vote for a democrat, if I felt they were better than the other person.
“Thanks in advance for your thoughtful responses.”
Your welcome, I hope that answered you questions.
That’s not what Pew Research says. see link above.
Yes I watch Foxnews, and CNN, I also read MSNBC, VOX, BBC, listen CBC daily. But Fox somehow brainwashed me into hating Hillary and loving Trump, WOW that’s power, and do you mean to tell me Fox managed to brainwash 62,979,879 people, they have even more power then I thought.
See I want solutions to problems and I really don’t care where they come from. If it’s a good idea, it’s a good idea no matter who suggested it. For example I will support ANY gun law that will keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Of course the problem is that just like with drugs criminals don’t fall the law. But I have stated that I would support a law that said if you are found guilty of a crime and you use a gun you get 10 years straight time on top of any other punishment. Rob a 7-11 with a gun 10 extra years, the people who follow the law wouldn’t worry because they follow the law, criminal will think twice before using a gun as the reward for using a gun isn’t worth the risk.
That pretty much tells us all we need to know about your idea of morality. You just stated that the person who knowingly hires someone who knowingly and as an adult entered the country illegally is more moral than the person who hires someone who was brought into the country as a child illegally but has reported himself/herself to the federal government to work legally. You say you are against illegal labor but you condemn the woman who hires someone legally.
Not only are you a liar, you are a hypocrite.
p.s. And for the love of humanity, learn how to use the board quote feature.
So on the one hand, you don’t blame him too much for taking advantage of the system and hiring illegal immigrants to work for him.
But you object when HRC does it with documented residents.
Do you find that to be a hypocritical position on your part?
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Now Hillary was for the wall before she was against it, she was against it. It seem to me she was picking her position on what she though would get her the most votes at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlFi0QUboxs&feature=youtu.be
[/quote]It sound to me like HRC was very much for border control and security. Something you seem to be very much in support of. So what is your objection to her position on border security given that you also believe that Trump’s idea of building a wall is a stupid idea?
Your own links demonstrate that HRC was actually consistent in her views. Pro border security and immigration control and acted in accordance with respect to hiring documented residents for her campaign. Trump did not do that, by your own admission. So why did you vote for Trump when HRC was actually the one who was consistent on the issue?
Do you shop at WalMart, Target and various other discount retailers? Why do you suppose the prices of goods sold there are so affordable? How about Amazon? Are you aware that you can become a vendor on Amazon by ordering bulk goods from AliBaba, storing them in an Amazon warehouse, and selling them to Americans, all without leaving the comfort of your home? Lot’s of Americans do this. Aren’t they responsible for undermining the US economy by buying cheap Chinese goods instead of things made here in the USA by American workers?
I’m wondering if you actually have the necessary understanding of the economy in order to make a correct judgement on larger issues such as free trade policy.
I am a small business owner. I don’t find the paperwork difficult or burdensome. Perhaps it’s because the type of business that you owned vs. the type that I own. I’m an IT Consultant, btw.
I do agree with you that there is waste in the government. I’m curious, which specific parts of the gov’t do you find too large and particularly wasteful?
That was certainly an inarticulate way to explain something. I completely agree. They could and should have done a better job. But you say you do agree that healthcare should be more affordable to the average American and that it should be available to all, regardless of financial status, yes? So what, in your opinion, would be a better idea than the ACA? Where you in favour of ideas put forward by Bernie Sanders?
Which part of the base do you think Trump was appealing to when he made these accusations?
Again, we keep coming back to the fact that you found Hillary unacceptable. I can certainly understand why you might think that given some of the arguments you put forward. I don’t think they are well informed arguments, but you have reasons and I’m not looking to change your mind about HRC.
What I would like to focus on, however, is your decision to support a candidate whom you don’t particularly like or agree with in many respects. I assume you don’t agree with him on his bigoted and misogynist remarks. I hear you say you don’t agree with him on his border wall policy. You even pointed out his hypocrisy on the illegal immigration workers. Yet, you still pulled the lever for him rather than just stay home or put in a write in candidate and you’ve said you have no regrets about that decision. Why? I’d really like to understand.
What the hey; let’s give this a shot.
Hey, postpic. Try this:
[ol][li]Take a piece of paper.[/li][li]Divide it into two columns.[/li][li]At the top of one column, write “Trump”. At the top of the other column, write “Ms. Clinton”.[/li][li]List the crimes, misdemeanors, other actual offenses you know, you actually know, that each one has committed in their column.[/li][li]Next to each crime, misdemeanor, or other actual offense, write down the severity you think it should be. Just for fun, let’s go with “1” for “least severe” to “10” for “most severe”.[/li][li]At the bottom of each column, write both the total number of crimes, misdemeanors, and other actual offenses, along with the total severity for that column’s list.[/li][li]Come back here and post your list. Be sure to explain why you support the individual with (a) the larger list and (b) the highest total for severity.[/ol][/li]
And don’t forget to include lying to the American people every freaking day in Trump’s column.
Never underestimate the power of the lie. It worked well for Hitler for years.
Fox News has an ‘accuracy’ of less than 60%, meaning that it is nearly half lies, damn lies and fiction. Listen to them long enough and you’re getting a very twisted and propaganda based view of the world and your fellow Americans. Glenn Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh are even less truthful and more hate filled. If you’re getting your views of the world and your facts from them, you’re a damned fool.
Conservatives also love to listen to other conservatives tell them what they think Liberals think, which pure unvarnished bullshit and very damaging if that’s what you choose to believe. They’ve tried hard for more than 40 years to make ‘Liberal’ a profanity and attribute all the worst things in the world to us. “Socialist” even moreso. They’ve told you that we’re the ones who are out of touch with reality and the world, while they tell you things that aren’t even remotely true about both us and the world.
When I want to know what Conservatives think, I listen to Conservatives. I don’t listen to Liberals trying to explain to me how Conservatives are motivated by pure evil and hate. Not that that really happens at all. Oh, I believe a lot of them are motivated by hate and anger and most of us aren’t afraid to call them out on it, but I don’t believe they actively and knowingly pursue an ‘evil’ agenda, like I keep being told that liberals like me are intentionally doing.
Just gonna say that I don’t fully agree with this. I spend a unjustifiable amount of time on paperwork.
However, that paperwork is nothing to do with the federal govt. The bank, the landlord, and other private entities that have a reason to know about my business… throw in local governing entities of the local zoning board, county requirements of filling out wage garnishments and child support for employees, and even workers comp and unemployment a couple times a year for the state, and I spend several hours of my time a week filling out forms for other people.
OTOH, my commitment to the federal govt paperwork is minuscule. Other than my taxes, (which my CPA does now), I can’t actually think of anything I have to fill out or send in.