How are the fringey, ultra-left having their way? The Democratic Party has been favoring its centrist wing since Bill Clinton was president, Hillary was more centrist than Bernie Sanders, and her nomination and the release of the hacked e-mails alienated the leftists within the party.
Thanks to Trump, we will have a nuke free North Korea. North Korea and South Korea will become one country. He turned an enemy into an ally!
Three Americans, detained by North Korea, are now home.
What is not to like about Trump?
Exactly. It’s entertaining. Every morning I watch the news wondering what’s next.
Plus Americans have forced idiots and worse on other countries so this is Karma.
We’ll see. Meanwhile, I’m curious as to what specifically gives you such high level of confidence given NK’s history under just such circumstances?
That is certainly a bright spot of this administration thus far.
There is nothing you don’t like about Trump? Nothing at all?
Remember, though, that two of the three hostages were also arrested/detained during Trump’s administration. He can’t really claim victory for fixing someone else’s mistake on that.
Reagan was famously credited with the release of American hostages by Iran, so…
I think it’s because Trump is a con artist. He’s playing a classic long game. There is craft involved. That includes letting the mark win -at first. And convincing the mark that they are in on the game. The was the genius behind the Madoff scam. Most of the victims realized that Madoff wasn’t being honest about his investment strategy, but they thought he was cheating large institutional investors on their behalf. So they played dumb.
So Trump deepened the country’s debt in order to provide an illusion of increased prosperity for many of his supporters, like that ridiculously ignorant concern troll Hurricane Ditka. Who’s too much of a snowflake to show up in this forum. And the rigging of the tax cuts to screw blue state residents was, frankly, a brilliant touch — because it gave his marks the feeling of being in on the game. So he’s letting his marks “win” so they will look the other way while he loots the Treasury.
It’s not like there wasn’t evidence for this, he’s been running con games for a long time — I defy anyone to show me an account of ONE person who got rich because they went to Trump University. Yet when I mention that to Trump supporters, they generally tell me that anyone stupid enough to buy a degree from Trump U got what they deserved. The irony, it burns.
I think he is more of a simple bully than a con man. Or at least, that’s how he pulls off his cons. Cheating people is just normal everyday business to him.
Unfortunately, my Wife’s side of the family are Trump supporters (except for my Wife of course [and a nephew]). I love all of them, but any political discussions become tense to say the least. They watch Fox. And only Fox ‘news’.
Neither my Wife and I are big Hillary Clinton supporters, but we certainly voted for her because the alternative was Trump. I think that Trump supports think that those that don’t like him are big Hillary supporters, and that’s why we don’t like him. That’s just not the case at all.
I did say I was going to let this thread die on the vine, or close it. But I’m am seeing some more insight, so will let it continue.
Um. No. That’s not gonna happen.
But Iran may very well join the nuclear arms club.
And every time that’s been promised by North Korea…well, it’s merely been promised.
Highly doubtful. First, the governments of both North and South Korea will want verifiable assurances from each other. Given North Korea’s track record, that’s simply not going to happen. Second, North Korea cannot maintain its current economic system even without unification. With a unified country, the North’s economy will collapse far worse than it did when the state distribution system failed a few years ago. Third, the South’s populace is not prepared (or even capable, given the likely cost of unification) to fund the North until that region is a viable partner in one country. Third, there are quite a lot of people in prison camps in North Korea. That issue is not going to go away and absent full-scale slaughter à la the Shoah, the South will be hard-pressed to provide homes, jobs, and education for the newly released prisoners. With or with the slaughter, the South’s populace will still require an accounting of those prisoners, among others. Fourth, there are still about 500 South Koreans known to have been abducted by North Korea. Their families, along with the rest of the populace, will want a verifiable accounting of what happened to them.
He has done no such thing. North Korea has run this play before. Indeed, it seems to be the most effective one in its playbook. North Korea wants something specific (food, money, assistance with distribution of matériel, not being written off as a rogue nation, etc.) from a specific [del]target[/del] sponsor, in this case the United States and/or South Korea.
And abductees from our allies are left there to rot.
Quite a lot. Seriously, you cannot be so ignorant to think that there’s nothing “not to like” about Trump.
By the way, I’m betting that either North Korea cancels the Singapore meeting due to Trump’s comments in the intervening days or Trump cancels it due to the North Korean government’s comments about Trump in the intervening days. I simply don’t see the meeting happening.
I live in the American South, Tea Party/Trump country, & you are about 90% right.
For generations, the Locals have hated Unions (because they were told by Political Bosses & the Clergy that they were gangsters), so they look to political; “strong men” for leadership, & don’t work collectively. It’s ingrained in the local culture. 
Usually, they are mere hucksters, but Trump seems to believe about 1/3 of the evil rubbish he spouts.
So, he’s dangerous.
They haven’t even promised to get rid of them this time! North Korea has expressed a desire to get rid of its nuclear weapons in the same way that US presidents like Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama have given airy discourses about how nice it would be if the world didn’t have nuclear weapons.
It started out that way. I also liked him for being pro-business. After Obama’s screwing American business around, I was ready for a change. Now that Trump has been in office for more than a year, it has become obvious that we got one hell of a good deal here, much more than we expected. He has accomplished more in that year that is positive for America than Obama did in his eight years.
Sometimes I wonder if karate classes lead to CTE. You have most the symptoms, including an extra thick skull.
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All well said Monty. But really, the entirety of NK is really just one big prison camp. 30 million people will try to flood to the south in search of a better life. The prisoners in the camps (which 99% never did anything wrong by SK or western standards) are probably the least to be concerned about.
Unification sounds great, but will have to happen very very slowly. I think the only way to do it would be to have South Koreans move slowly north. Bring tech, knowledge and equipment and into an area that is still living in the 1950’s. Much of NK’s resources are untapped.
Knowledge is slowly creeping into NK. By that I mean awareness of world events. That’s how this is going to change. It can’t be stopped.
I see that you have typed some words, and in an order that actually make sense. Too bad they’re not true.
Trump is much worse for American business than Obama could ever have been.
That said, however, I’m interested in how you could possibly arrive at that conclusion. Please, be specific. What specifically has Trump done that makes you think that he’s pro-business? How was Obama bad for same?
Again, please be specific. I’m sincerely interested in learning why your thoughts are as disjointed and incorrect as they are.
I think there are a couple reasons Trump won and they aren’t all that complex. The Democrats have essentially become the party of identity politics, which devolves into a sort of tribalism mess. When you start dividing people up into all these special little groups, things become divisive and everyone wants to be on the winning side.
There were some important battles won on say gay or transgender issues but these groups are relatively small and frankly I don’t think the majority of voters let stuff like that be the overriding issues that they think about daily and choose who they vote for over it. Trump also won for being seen as the “law and order” candidate, many democrats are willing to flaunt federal law to let illegal immigrants walk right over the border, encourage sanctuary cities, etc. Maybe they see it as a human rights issue, I don’t know, but to a lot of people that pisses them off, it says to them, my politicians who were supposed to care about the issues and well-being of their fellow citizens, care more about some random people in other countries. In a world of finite resources that’s not necessarily that weird, and there are already so many here, where does it stop, at what point is your national identity completely gone?
Trump also said that he would put America first in every situation, people want what’s best for them personally, what benefits them the most. I don’t recall an American presidential candidate ever being quite so vociferous in speeches and having this non-apologetic attitude about how American citizens were being screwed over by other countries and that he would put a stop to it, I’m not saying it’s an accurate assessment but I think it resonated with a lot of people, and frankly again most people vote for their own self interest.
I think besides these sorts of things it was people who just wanted to try something different and “blow up” the system, even if it didn’t work, it seemed a chance to try something new, and yes I think there was also a direct reaction to Obama’s presidency and the people that didn’t like him giving the finger to his voters and attempt to dismantle his legacy, and because so many of Obama’s accomplishments were not by legislation but by executive order, even if he only serves 4 years by the time Trump is through it will almost be as if Obama was never even president.
And the twerp’s accomplishing that by, you guessed it, executive orders!
In what way is Trump pro-business that Obama was not?
Can you list these accomplishments?
Not to speak for Clothahump, but I guess it depends on whether you believe in Supply Side Economics. If you do, then it makes sense to think that Trump’s tax cuts are going to be good for business, and the country.
However, having seen decades of evidence to the contrary, I don’t share the borderline-religious belief that tax cuts always pay for themselves*. So I don’t think the tax cuts in a (slowly) growing economy were a good idea. Most people who know more than I do about economics are predicting that the tax cuts will increase the federal budget deficit, something that conservatives used to at least pretend to care about.
*I think there are conditions under which tax cuts can pay for themselves; e.g., if there’s a shortage of capital, cutting taxes on capital gains can result in net growth in revenue. But the booming stock markets belie any shortage in capital.