You are a fucking cretin some times, do you know that? I’m talking about the practicalities of addressing groups, and you pretend I’m equating exercise and child murder? Fuck you, and fuck your self-righteous bullshit. As if you’re the only one around here who condemns child murder, and the rest of us peons have to be led to it. Shove it up your arse.
That’d be a flat-out lie, wouldn’t it?
Note what you said:
You didn’t even give an unambiguous condemnation of the act yourself.
Stop trying so hard to be a such a fucking jerk. :rolleyes:
And in the thread in question:
from post #2
from post #4
It seemed that you were setting a different standard for Muslims in general and Alderbaran in particular than for the general populace and other posters respectively. I understand why he should take offence at that.
Maybe I missed those threads, but I have yet to see any unusual [or breathtaking] rudeness or hypocricy … not compared to what I’ve seen directed towards him by some other posters, at any rate.
I don’t understand why Mehitabel is so desperate to know where he’s from - and why all the cracks about Belgium continue, when he has explained over and over that it is his mother’s birth country and that he doesn’t live there.
I also haven’t seen him “flaunting of the lifestyle of a rich and ill-educated idler” … I’m not even sure how one would do that on the internet.
As for “sheer bullheaded unwillingness to see anybody else’s point of view or engage in honest non-whining debate” - this could also describe the unwillingness of other posters to take his word that he is living in the ME, and the constant whining on this topic almost every time he posts - regardless of the topic being debated.
I find Aldebaran’s posts interesting - even when I don’t agree with him - and I certainly don’t see him coming across as being ill-educated.
Now I’m wondering how on earth I could overlook this pearl of duffer-wisdom
Care to back this up, you lying insect?
Since you can’t back up this stupid yet still disgusting attempt to spread such vile and disgusting lies about me, I suggest you read carefully the following quote from the thread ** SDMB registration agreement as of 3/24/04.**
Salaam. A
[English lesson]The word you were looking for is consumption. Consummation is, err, something else. Close try though![/English lesson]
Look, Aldeberan is under no more obligation to explicitly condemn these actions than is anyone else. Even just on the SDMB, there are thousands who have not explicitly condemned these actions. Does that mean we all support them? Should a thread be started? “We, the undersigned, do explicitly condemn the actions of the terrorists in Ossetia.” Then everyone who doesn’t post to it can be ripped a new one?
There are plenty of things to not like about Aldereran: his coyness about his location, his defensiveness, his ability to fly off the handle at the drop of a hat, etc. I’ve seen nothing that displays a lack of the common human decency that believes killing innocent children is wrong.
I know quite a few obscure locations there. The trouble is that I don’t go unnoticed anymore because of previous visits, and this not as much because of my weird behaviour as of that of some of my friends.
You are quite right. I try to stay out of politics by all means since I gained the age of wisdom (Which was when I was about 3 hours old and woke up from my first real-time sleep).
Of course they are. Even at this moment I see the little people covering my screen and I must wipe them from my keyboard while they try to eat my poor fingers.
I think the difficulty with that is that in many cases what some might perceive as " being defensive" is nothing else then me making an attempt to make my points clear. The thread you linked to is a good example. I was not on the defensive. I was trying to make my point become clear. Some people saw that immediately, others did not or simply refused to.
I must say that Liberal disappointed me because normally I like reading his posts.
It is obvious that he made that first comment in the thread while being emotional overwhelmed by what happened in that school. This can be an understandable reaction from his point of view at that moment. My first reply was intented to make him think a bit further about what he just wrote and cut out the emotional part of it. Yet instead he refused to recognize that he posted a very badly frazed and wrong comment, while that was all that was ever needed to solve the whole problem immediately. To solve his problem he tried constantly (and still did in this thread) to switch the focus on me yes or no condemning these acts the way he thought he could command me to fraze it, and then in addition on his explicit command.
I don’t now what counts for Liberal on this issue, but I don’t take commands in real life from anyone except from those I recognize as being in a position to do this. How on earth a stranger posting anonymously on a public message board would come to the idea that he is in such a position goes beyond me.
And yes, requiring from me or any other muslim to make a special statement about such actions, while it goes without words that every normal human is horrified by them, implies very directly that we should apologize for the actions of these murderers. The explicit condemnation of such a thing because you are Muslim is nothing else then expressing the inherent apology.
I am sorry but I do not play such disgusting games with my dignity. Never and nowhere, which counts also when I am only an anonymous poster on a message board.
Salaam. A
As I stated in the thread that was referenced, the problem isn’t one of guilt, or apology, or any of that fungible bullshit.
The problem is pragmatics.
If your religion’s image is one of endorsing violent crime-in-the-name-of-religion then it is up to the moderates to vocally decry such a hijacking of their religion.
It is PR, pure and simple.
I would also suggest that if 99% of Muslims all over the world railed against killings-in-their-religion’s-name then we might very well see fewer suicide bombers, etc…
I’m not sure but I think he’s referring to the 11-year-old Human Bomb thread.
Nurse!
I post a link and A makes a non sequitur. There may be hope yet! 
My WAG: Aldebaran and I have discussed horses, our own and in general, in some threads. There’s a perception among some part of the populace that only rich idlers are into horses (Newport polo toffs and so forth). Maybe that’s it, or part of it. Horse owner = rich idler.
[pause whle I picked up the muck fork dropped while guffawing]
Now, I don’t know about Aldebaran’s circumstances, but I can assure you that people of all walks of life own and ride horses, and a lot of us have to sacrifice in order to do so. Still, the elitist image persists. So perhaps that feeds into that comment.
As to the topic at hand, others have eloquently made the point: insisting that Aldebaran apologize for the actions of others who happen to be of the same religion is ludicrous. I’ve had my own run-ins with the man here, and sometimes he drives me batshit insane.* But I don’t hold him in contempt because his worldview and beliefs differ so vastly from mine, nor do I expect him to be the Muslim avatar, atoner for all co-religionists’ sins.
*Gee, Lib, who have I made similar comments about recently, eh? 
Can you point out who asked Aldebaran (or anyone else for that matter) to apologize? I would like to join the eloquent horde, and blow spit upon the bastard(s) who asked Aldebaran to apologize. Because, you see, what we had asked for was not an apology. An apology is pretty meaningless unless you are responsible for what you’re apologizing for. What we asked for was condemnation of the kidnapping and mass murder of children. One need not be culpable to condemn. That’s why the Pope condemned it. He didn’t do it. And he didn’t apologize. And in fact, no one asked Aldebaran specifically even to condemn the act until he singled himself out as the topic of the thread. I give you the benefit of the doubt that you came in late and missed the other thread from which this one was born. But now that you’re here, you need to catch up with the many posts before where this very thing was explained. Apologize versus condemn. I don’t apologize for the murders because I didn’t do them. I do, however, condemn them. Don’t you?
Okay, condemn. if I don’t state publicly that I condemn murder, whenever it occurs, does that mean that I support homicide? Or is it okay to refrain from making a point of condemning it unless it’s spectacular mass murder? And then one must make public declaration of detestation or be held to approve the act?
And if a murder is committed by a middle-aged Caucasian New Englander, must I rise up in righteous wrath and condemn all middle-aged Caucasian New Englanders who commit murder, or be taken to tacitly support their actions? Say I find myself amid enraged hordes of non-MACNE condemning a mass murder carried out by MACNEs, said enraged hordes insisting that every non-murdering MACNE must condemn such heinous atrocities as antithetical to the MACNE culture, or else the world may fairly conclude that such atrocities are in fact integral to my MACNE culture, even promoted by its worldview. Mightn’t I be just a wee bit pissed at that? And express my pissedness? And find it demeaning that others would proclaim that my failure to explictly condemn murderous MACNEs means I therefore support them?
Or, to put it Pitwise: Who the fuck are you to appoint anyone spokesperson for an entire culture, and ream them when they decline to act as you think they should?
Look, I just jumped in here, but i thought that aldebaran was self appointed.
Aldebaran, I agree with the others that you have become a lot more mellow and even tempered lately, and I apologize for calling you a motherfucker, uh… 675 times (but not that 676th! :D).
But…
Those are all threads you have started about politics. Now, I’m willing to accept that you started them all within three hours of being born, but I’ll need some evidence. :dubious:
He did say “try”. Guess he wasn’t successful.
OK, we’re done here. Move along, everybody. 
I just have to say that I enjoyed this line.
I would then suggest that perhaps 99% of all Christians should condemn Bush’s genocide of the Iraqi people - which he has said is done on his God’s instructions. Then perhaps we would see fewer dead Iraqi civilians.
Above quotes from Bush Button News