It is a fact among many Muslims that the mossad is the only organization that could have planned and executed the September 11th attacks. It is also a fact that many, many Jews called into work sick to avoid said attacks.
It is a rationalization technique to avoid the guilt associated with being of this particular religious group after such a terrible tragedy.
I cite personal knowledge of said Muslims. The explanation is my own.
As long as there are people who believe the moon landing was a hoax there will be people who can believe just about anything else.
Um… cite? Snopes says it isn’t true, btw.
Well, I wasn’t there, but I was only a block away. And I didn’t get any advance warning…
…and I do know of someone who lives within a block of me (an Orthodox Jew) who did lose her husband that day.
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I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that when you use the word fact you really mean strongly held belief.
This is just plain offensive.
Idiocy that wants to ban the Harry Potter books is one thing but idiocy that defames a racial/religious group, propagates conspiracy theory and implies horrendous cynical disregard for human life is just repulsive.
Go back to your comic book board.
I usually manage to find something positive in most posters but you
ah forget it. I’ll calm down. I’m so angry with this [pit-type words omittedd after rereading] that I’m shaking. Oh yeah, the jews probably did do it. Yeah, makes sense. [Homer] In case you can’t tell, I’m being sarcastic [/Homer]
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Why did I think this thread title would attract a sensible discussion, anyway? More fool me.
grim, you were being sarcastic, weren’t you?
Read his post, folks. He is stating that Muslims believe, as a fact, that this is the case. A large number of rather vocal Muslims have expressed said facts. That it’s not really a fact has no bearing on them. It’s the same mindset that allows them to make a hero of bin Laden, and ask for proof of his guilt when the man has admitted it on video.
Calm down, Redboss. The thegrimspectreofreddeath is saying that this is “a fact among many Muslims”. He just means that many Muslims believe it, which is why he cites his personal experience of such Muslims. He probably expected people to argue that this is not what most Muslims believe. I’d have to argue that myself. However, I think he’s right that many Muslims do cling to such possibilities in an attempt to avoid the guilt associated with the event. Most Muslims think that the terrorist attack was a terrible and tragic event and don’t want to admit that it could have been carried out by Muslims, and even worse, in the name of Islam.
He probably should have phrased his post better, that’s all.
Depends on your definition of “many, many.”
Many, many people worked at the World Trade Center. Many, many of those people were Jewish. Many, many people called in sick on 9/11.
So, let’s say, 138 Jewish World Trade Center workers called in sick (along with 412 goyishe World Trade Center workers…larger proportion of Jews to Gentiles in NYC).
I think that the source of the rumors is hatred more than guilt, or disbelief (especially disbelief).
It’s not hard to believe that radical Muslims could do it, considering all of the other terrorist attacks. I mean c’mon… Sept. 12th, right across the street from the WTC we were going to sentence one of the Muslims responsible for the FIRST attack on the Trade Towers in '93.
Guilt is possible, but if they just wanted to shift the blame away from the radical end of their own religion, the rumors would probably be in many different forms… perhaps U.S. Christian Fundamentalists (using Falwell and Robertson’s comments to back them up), or U.S. Militiamen groups, or White Supremecists, or whoever.
The fact that the rumors goes around, and around, and around, all pointed at the Mossad leads me to believe that the basis of the rumors is hatred of Jews. Period.
As for Grim’s comments… I think that all of that first paragraph was what he considered the perspective of many Muslims. I doubt he was saying that the Jews that called in sick was “fact”, but like the sentence before it, “fact to Muslims”.
And if it were true that thousands of Jews called in sick on the 11th, they’d all have FBI knocking on their doors, and we’d know about it. (Unless you think it’s an AMERICAN government conspiracy, then there’s no helping you, hehe).
Blame the Jews.
Blame the Jews.
Always and forever blame the Jews.
Give it a rest already.
P.S. Unnamed sources, unseen experts, and secrets whispered from around dark corners do not make for good or accurate journalism.
P.P.S. After reading this drek, I have to go wash now.
I think the origin of the rumours is hatred of Jews. But I think that most Muslims who give credit to these rumours are just grateful for the chance to blame it on someone else. They wouldn’t really care who it was. You may be unable to imagine how such a thing could be hard to believe for Muslims, due to Muslim terrorist attacks in the past. But there hasn’t been a successful terrorist attack on this scale before, in which so many civilians died. Many Muslims can justify attacks on American military targets but this is beyond their comprehension. They may also distrust the U.S. and feel that blame was assigned too hastily.
Rumours such as the absence of Jewish WTC workers on September 11th have reached the status of urban legends. Some people are not familiar with this website or the Snopes website and thus end up believing or half-believing these stories. I know some Muslims who do and I can assure you that they are not anti-Jewish at all.