John Elway, who knows a little bit about quarterbacking, was on the local TV broadcast of the last pre-season game when Tebow was in the game. He said flat out that Tebow was way behind Orton and Brady and came into camp unprepared. Elway is the teams VP, too.
Reading and listening to the local media, who are at training camp every day and talk to the coaches, Tebow has been the most disappointing player in camp.
Andre Ware is another guy I thought of. He even started a fair number of NFL games. But, he was no where as impactful (spellcheck is wrong, it’s a word!) as he was in college. Heisman winner, set 26 NCAA records, ended up in NFL Europe after a run in the CFL.
(I went to UofH and lived in Houston in '89, so Ware and Klingler are in my messed up head also)
Hmm… maybe it’s just QBs from schools I’m involved with somehow … :eek:
I am nonplussed by the “utterly sucks” sentiment. Is it unusual for an NFL rookie QB to not do so well in only 3(!) starts, especially considering the relative complexity and difficulty? How well did any current or previous longtime starting QB perform in their first 3 starts?
The article mirrors the rest of my thinking. As a rookie Tebow showed quite a bit, there’s no indication he is a disaster, and has a chance to be a starter one day.
Quite apart from his own flaws and limitations as a player, I never understood why the Broncos would have gone for ANY quarterback where they did.
Even if Tebow were a conventional quarterback with the height and arm strength teams usually look for, the fact remains, the Broncos had other MUCH more pressing needs.
Their offense was already very good, and Kyle Orton had established himself as a very good starter. Their DEFENSE, on the other hand, was atrocious! They needed help almost EVERYWHERE on the defensive side, and that means Tebow was a wasted pick… as almost ANY quarterback would have been in that spot.
John Fox is a smart defensive coach, and he probably believes “In a weak division like ours, there’s no reason we couldn’t come in first, if we just firm up our defense.” He knows Kyle Orton can score enough to keep the Broncos in contention in most games, so long as the defense doesn’t give up 35 points. So, he’s made the decision ANY smart coach would make right now: to start the quarterback who gives the Broncos a shot a winning RIGHT NOW.
It would be different if the Broncos had a woeful offense and had to start from scratch. THEN it might make sense to let Tebow start, let him take his lumps, and give him a chance to show what he can do. But that’s NOT the situation. If the defense improves, Orton is good enough to win the weak AFC West. Tebow isn’t- not now, MAYBE not ever.
He doesn’t “suck”, but he’s not very good, either.
And that’s the point. He’s clearly not the best QB on his own team, but there are still the diehard fans who think he should start or at least get significant playing time. There are very few teams where he’d even be in the running for a backup spot.
It’s a dog-eat-dog world out there. Developing QBs ride the bench. You only get hate like this when there’s a push to start a substandard player.
Saying he sucks doesn’t mean that he will suck forever. There is a learning curve in the NFL, and project QB’s like Tebow do their learning on the bench. A “reasonable chance” does not mean he gets to start, especially if there are other, better QB’s on the roster. Maybe Tebow does develop into a good NFL quarterback, but, for right now, he sucks.
And he’s been getting love since he was a home schooled white kid with amazing physical talent who talked quite a bit about being an evangelical Christian. He’s certainly a divisive person to people who put stock in that kind of thing.
But not much of that matters in the NFL. Good quarterbacks tend to start, and bad ones don’t. Whether they’re evangelical Christians or don’t give a crap about religion, what matters to the coaches and GM’s is how well they play quarterback. And Tebow doesn’t play NFL quarterback well at all.
As a Broncos fan, I don’t hate Tebow (life’s too short for that) but I never wanted the Broncos to draft him, especially not so high. Then again, everything in the last few years has been aggravating. Shanahan drafts Cutler (reasonable), trades Plummer away after replacing him while 7-4 (you’ve got to be kidding me), constantly screws with the defense without ever getting results, and gets himself fired. Then Bowlen makes the same mistake other teams (Cleveland, I’m looking in your direction) have made in getting a Patriots assistant coach, who promptly tries to turn the team in the Patriots West. He makes it even worse by driving away Cutler (which was just stupid, no matter what you thought of Cutler), still not fixing the defense, drafting Tebow way way too high, and then getting himself fired.
I’d say for some people Tebow is just an easy target and a symbol of everything that was wrong during McDaniels’ term as a head coach. Couple that with a sense of frustration since Elway retired. Add in some dislike of Tebow wearing his religion on his sleeve (and that annoying Super Bowl commercial) and there you go.
It sounds to me like the current Broncos administration is trying to distance themselves from the Tebow decision by burying him. Their choice. I don’t have any love for the guy, but I’d figure he could turn into a serviceable QB with some time getting real reps from people who believe in him. We all know how few serviceable QBs there are.
Say what you want about his passing stats in his short stint as a starter last season, but with all the bad (and it was bad), there is some good. Scattered tidbits of good, but some. He played three games and never once threw more picks than TDs. His yards per attempt was fine. And he ran effectively enough. So his completion percentage is bad. That’s what we’re basing all this irrational hate upon? Low completion percentage? You choose who did better in his first three starts of his first season:
Player A: 3G 40/81 49.9% 651yds 8.04YpA 4TD 3INT (1INT per 27 att)
--------- 31rush 199yds 3TD
Player B: 3G 62/114 54% 683yds 5.99YpA 2TD 8INT (1INT per 14 att)
--------- 3rush 26yds 0TD
Both had a 300+ yard game. You already know which is Tebow, the “project.” Looks to me like the real project is player B, Peyton Manning. Yeah, Peyton got better, he’s a natural QB. So why is Tebow being graded on the same scale as a 1st overall pick, born-to-be-QB?
Doesn’t seem like he’s being judged by fair criteria. People want to hate him and find convenient excuses to do so. Their choice. But it’s certainly not built on rationality or reason.
There are no white QBs in the league. He’s definitely getting the Jason Sehorn treatment, right. Nobody ever gets on a mic and shouts the praises of Jesus after a touchdown, ever. Never once.
Let’s all stop tossing around bullshit about Tim Tebow. Hes a bad quarterback, but not an ineffective one and not as bad as people make him out to be considering his experience playing the position in an NFL acceptable manner. He has bad throwing mechanics and probably can’t read a defense for squat. I don’t know about his arm strength but I recall hearing it isn’t above average.
Mechanics can be fixed. Accuracy can be fixed. Reading defenses can be fixed. Can he throw a ball downfield? (probably not) Can he make plays? (yes)
There are white QB’s in the league. I don’t know why Sehorn is in your ramblings, and there are plenty of people who acknowledge God after a touchdown. Do you actually have a point somewhere in there, or is this some kind of Joycian writing exercise?
C’mon Jules. Rodgers was sitting behind a Hall of Fame quarterback and Tebow is behind Kyle fucking Orton. But Rodgers is a good example of why it’s a good idea to let young QB’s develop before turning them into starters.
I’ll tell you what. You up for a wager? I bet that in three years, Tebow isn’t a top 16 quarterback, based on passing statistics, in the NFL. I’d toy with betting he won’t be starting, but who knows what QB desperate teams will try. Hell David Carr and Joey Harrington were starters for 6 years in the NFL.
But the Packers knew he was good and wanted to make him a starter. He was their future but was playing behind a HOF’er and you don’t just kick guys like that out of a job or release them.
The Packers evaluation was correct. Favre went on to a lot of controversy. Feathers got ruffled, the fans had a lot to talk about but the Packers were right.
Watched a lot of Timmy T here in SEC country and right thinking people pretty much had this figured out.
Tebow can’t throw the twenty yard out pattern… so u can sit your safety up 5-7 yards and punish the run game… he’s never gonna beat you deep.
When he does uncork it… that shit floats… giving guys running a 4.4 forty time to get under it or knock the shit out of the receiver.
Tim’s release is slow as shit… when he hits the receiver the receiver gets tackled… he can’t get it quickly enough through that window for yards after the catch. So essentially the window gets real real small that he plays in. He’s falling behind that kid from Minnesota because he throws better and anticipates the break from the receiver better than tebow. Fuck beating out Orton… Tim can’t beat out the rookie from Minnesota…
He needs to either … go to Canada… or change positions and try and be Chris Cooley… Cubsfan…mybrother in Wrigley… on the grave of Jack Brickhouse… who in the hell is gonna trade for a guy who can’t beat out a rookie from Minnesota (Golden Gophers mind you)?? Why would i give you a warm six pack of Old Style for this guy??
Watched a lot of Timmy T here in SEC country and right thinking people pretty much had this figured out.
Tebow can’t throw the twenty yard out pattern… so u can sit your safety up 5-7 yards and punish the run game… he’s never gonna beat you deep.
When he does uncork it… that shit floats… giving guys running a 4.4 forty time to get under it or knock the shit out of the receiver.
Tim’s release is slow as shit… when he hits the receiver the receiver gets tackled… he can’t get it quickly enough through that window for yards after the catch. So essentially the window gets real real small that he plays in. He’s falling behind that kid from Minnesota because he throws better and anticipates the break from the receiver better than tebow. Fuck beating out Orton… Tim can’t beat out the rookie from Minnesota…
He needs to either … go to Canada… or change positions and try and be Chris Cooley… Cubsfan…my brother in Wrigley… on the grave of Jack Brickhouse… who in the hell is gonna trade for a guy who can’t beat out a rookie from Minnesota (Golden Gophers mind you)?? Why would i give you a warm six pack of Old Style for this guy??
Bradford put up better number, more yardage in about 15 less games.
In one year Bradford proved himself in the NFL…
AP NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year (2010)
Most consecutive passes thrown without an interception by a rookie (169)
Most attempts by a rookie in NFL history (590).
Most completions by a rookie in NFL history (354).
Tebow was a proven college football player, but I don’t think you could easily say he was easily the best college football player of his time.
I, also, am from SEC country and watched a lot of Florida games. Always rooting against them, but still.
I’d watch Tebow play and wonder how he ever completed a pass. Some of them looked like shot puts and the rest were floating ducks. Yes, he was a very good team leader and very athletic. I could easily see how he kept winning games with his running skills and game management. But I don’t see how he could ever beat even the worst NFL team by passing the ball.