Why doesn't Trump's childishness simply disqualify him outright in your mind?

You can take it any way you want it. I don’t have a problem with that.

You’re saying that you are the special one, without a problem with this, fairly shouting it out triumphally. Delving into why you are doing that might get into some tender areas for you. So you won’t engage in the actual issues and problems, but would rather make straw men.

Who would think that was a “reasonable statement”? Courier-carried communications are just as vulnerable to interception as electronic mail, if not moreso. Once it is out of sight of the sender, he or she can’t be sure it wasn’t read or altered in transit.

Hiring incorruptible couriers is another impossible task, like making sure all your cops are incorruptible.

And you just said (below) that we should not take that statement literally.

But Trump clearly seemed to mean it literally, since he literally said “write it down and send it by mail.” He did not qualify the statement. He just said it right out.

How do you know which of his statements to take literally and which to understand as figurative, metaphorical, etc.?

I really want to understand this.
ETA: Some of his followers seem surprised that he intends to follow up with repealing the ACA. They did not take him literally, clearly, even though he said it over and over. Did YOU take these statements of his literally or not? I did.

You guys chose to vote for Trump. We all have to live with the consequences but you guys have to accept the blame.

Poorly.

It’s everyone’s problem now.

Right - it was purely by accident that he won the GOP primaries and the general election. “Oops, I’m President!”

He’s already a billionaire. Why would he not simply continue that way? It would be a lot easier than becoming President.

Regards,
Shodan

One time pad encryption is a good idea. And it is not archaic (even if it is an old technology), it’s very practical, and can handle gigs of data at a time.

Were you thinking of something else?

This is, if you are talking about digital OTP cryptography, if you are talking about pen and paper OTP, then yeah, that’s about as stupid as couriering your secret documents.

Well, no, if you took her comment literally, that would mean that you have absolutely no capability of understanding context. She made a sarcastic joke in response to a kinda silly question. Even if you were taking it literally, she was asking a question, not making a command, so there’s a huge difference there.

If she truly did not understand the security, and they asked her if she wiped her server, and she thought they meant that they were asking about physically wiping, then that is something she would learn in the process. It is something that she may not have as her sphere of expertise.

Trump insisted that he knew what he was taking about,m and said something profoundly stupid.

Yes, exactly. He even admitted to being surprised by the result.

If you really thought that he expected to win, why didn’t he have any of his transition ready to go?

If Clinton had won, she would have been ready to move into the white house and start taking over operations from day 1. He’s been given 2 1/2 months, and he is not going to be ready.

And… you just made a point contributing to my point. Why indeed would he become president? Unless it was not what he set out to do.

It seems to me, that he ran for president as a publicity stunt, to increase his visibility, (as there was a person hiding under a rock for the last 50 years that hadn’t heard of him yet), and his “brand” value. Winning was never the objective, IMO. Of course, now that he has, I am sure he will loot it for every dollar he can get his hands on.

Assuming of course, that he is really a billionaire. Until he releases his tax returns, I will remain skeptical that he even has a positive net worth.

I realize you’ve stated your opinion and I’m not going to say you opinion is wrong; however, in my view:

Corrupt: Not a chance he is less corrupt than Hillary. He is going to abuse the heck out of the reins of power for his own gain. And this will be his greatest betrayal of those that have supported him. He said he was going to look out for the little guy, but it will be like that classic comic:

There are 12 cookies. The rich take 11 of them and tell the middle class “Hey the poor want your cookie”. He’ll throw a few crumbs the way of his supporters to keep them appeased but there is zero chance that Trump isn’t looking out primarily for Trump and his buddies.

Now, what about Hillary? Well, I agree to some degree that Hillary is somewhat corrupt. She’s owned by the major corporations and the banks. But that’s not unique to Hillary as so much the state of the American political system. I can actually understand that for some Trump supporters they were actually trying to vote to change this system. I get it. I applaud it! Big money cannot be left to run the political system. But Trump is not the agent of that change because Trump is owned by Trump and that’s a loyalty you will never ever break.

Power Hungry: I actually agree. Hillary really really REALLY wanted the presidency. Trump wants it mainly for ego reasons not for power reasons. Not this is better, I’d rather somebody wanted the presidency to help your country, e.g. Sanders, but he wasn’t one of the options.

Evil: What constitutes “evil”? I don’t think either of them are evil. Trump is an incompetent, ill-tempered jackass but not evil. Hillary is a career politician and so has the elitist baggage that comes with that, but she isn’t evil.

Because people with wealth and power tend to want more of it?

How would you even prove childishness? Like, a grown man eating Lucky Charms for supper while watching Peppa Pig seems childish but there’s nothing saying that adults aren’t allowed to do it too. Trump is a man-child because he feels that way to me.

Trump is a man-child because of the things he says and the way he behaves. We don’t need to check our feelings to inform us about the kind of buffoon he really is. We have plenty of empirical evidence to make the case and he continues to provide more almost on a daily basis.

You can eat lucky charms and watch cartoons and be an adult.

When you run out of lucky charms, and you throw your bowl across the room, and send out a tweet about how unfair it is that your cartoon is over now, that’s the behavior of a child.

Disclaimer: I didn’t vote for Trump in the Republican primary, and I didn’t vote for him in the general election either. I actually DO think his immaturity/lack of experience is a huge problem.

However I know a lot of people who did vote for him who are otherwise smart, responsible, engaged citizens. The general attitude among them wasn’t one of “Trump’s so great!” or anything like that, but rather that he was (in their eyes) the lesser of the two evils, and that he came with the ostensible bonus of being a rambunctious, belligerent outsider and campaigning on a platform of bringing back some kind of past glory days.

To them, Hillary represented the worst that the Democratic party had to offer- a person whose entire career has been pretty much either being an attorney or a politician, and who’s been associated with multiple scandals through her professional lifetime, mostly through her husband, who is widely hated among that crowd. On top of that, her activities as First Lady and shortly thereafter were not viewed very favorably by that group either- a politically involved First Lady is not considered a good thing, and becoming what is seen as some kind of “reverse carpetbagger” (for lack of a better term) in order to run for Senate in NY was seen as political opportunism of the worst sort- essentially moving to NY to get elected for her own benefit, not because she really had the best interests of NY in mind. Then came the various issues/scandals as Secretary of State.

Combine all that, and you have someone who rightly or wrongly fit the stereotype of a corrupt, self-aggrandizing career politician. Trump by comparison, is someone who was seen as a loudmouth, obnoxious, and unqualified, but as someone who never dissembled about his self-aggrandizement, and who is unapologetic (a bonus to this group), has a strong public persona (another plus), and someone who is unlikely to brook a lot of bullshit (a third plus).

His childishness and immaturity aren’t positive traits, but they aren’t as disqualifying to this group as you might think.

One way to look at it is that people basically assign positive mental values to positive traits and negative ones to negative traits, and basically vote for the candidate with the highest score.

Trump’s negatives didn’t outweigh his positives for a lot of people. Or they did, but Hillary had an even more negative score. I’m not sure which.

Again, he is continuing that way in addition to being President. He’s keeping his real estate and branding company. He’s keeping his executive producer title on Apprentice. Why are you acting like he’s giving something up to be President?

This (the whole post) is the best explanation I’ve seen.

And I had an additional insight last night.

In the minds of Trump supporters, the fact that Trump WON the election zeroes out (“trumps,” as it were) any offensive things he did during the campaign or in his life prior to the election.

Winning the Presidency is the ultimate validation of him as a person. None of that other stuff matters any more (stiffing contractors, cheating Trump U students, bragging about how avoiding STDs was “his personal VietNam,” pussy grabbing, etc., etc.) BECAUSE HE WON. The American people validated him (actually, they didn’t–it was the Electoral College that validated him)… I’ll rephrase that: the System validated him. The System chose him, therefore, he is King of the Hill, Top of the Heap, and that’s all that matters. He’s got to be good, otherwise he wouldn’t/couldn’t have won, amirite?

Everyone loves a winner. And apparently everyone having limited critical thinking skills loves this particular winner. Why? Because he IS a winner, and we need look no farther than that for proof of his worthiness.

Which is exactly why they all fell in line behind Obama when he won, right?

Yea, her theory was doing fine up until that last paragraph. :slight_smile:

You know there is a whole service set up to courier classified documents around the world, don’t you? Defense Courier Division

Wow. Fucking fast service for those critical documents.

You’d have a good point, if the contention was about the timeliness of delivery. But the concept itself (couriering of secret documents) was called stupid.

I’m sure the people working there would be thrilled to hear your opinion of their mission. The phone numbers are right on the web site. Why don’t you call them up and tell them how stupid their whole organization is?