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I’m sorry, I have to disagree with you. Since he’s in second place in the polls behind Biden I think he’s got a very good chance of winning the primary. A lot of non moderate, non neo-liberal, non corporatists love him. There are a lot of teachers, nurses, and Amazon and Walmart workers who are going to vote for him. Some die hard HRC supporters hate him because they think he took something away from her 2016 campaign, but he supported her after he lost the primary. His policies that were considered too far left in 2016 are now being touted by most of the Dem candidates. He’s got a great record of being consistent in his policies, he doesn’t do flip flops in the changing political wind.
The only way I think he could lose is if he does a “like white kids” or a covfefe between now and Iowa.
Not that it would make a difference, but if the general election were between two clowns like Sanders and Trump, and there’s nothing important on my local ballot, I might seriously consider not bothering to vote. There would be no point.
I’m no Sanders fan. But how you can say that, after seeing all the terrible things Trump has done, is beyond me.
I live in DC. We have an electoral college. Tell me why my vote matters, when I don’t even have an elected representative in Congress.
I meant to say voting representative.
Oh, wow, Ok if those are your ideas of how “They all have experience that is more in line with the duties of the Oval Office, not to mention having run political races that aren’t in Vermont.” then I cant help you.
I will concede that your vote won’t have the same clout as if it were cast in, say, Florida or Ohio. But voting is a civic duty, I believe, and your vote would be one more in the aggregate of all those indicating their disgust in Trump.
I consider climate change to be perhaps the most important long term issue we need to deal with politically and Sander’s strident anti-nuke position is a disaster on par with Trump’s stupid pro-coal policies, maybe worse because it will be harder to recover. Sanders then doubles down on anti-science by being anti-GMO. If Democrats make me choose between Sanders and Trump I’m voting third party.
I am not asking for your kind of help.
The country may go down the tubes because you couldn’t figure out which was the lesser of two evils…but you’ll at least have your moral victory to fall back on.
I generally agree that voting, even when the chips are stacked against you, is the right thing to do. Even voting for compromise candidates is the smart thing to do. But voting for a clown under a system intentionally designed to disenfranchise people living in one city? This isn’t like “my vote doesn’t count because I’m not winning elections,” this is “the system is designed for the express purpose of giving me zero politics power.”
If you vote for a candidate who’s as bad as Trump when it comes to climate change that’s on you, not me.
No, if you can’t tell the difference between being possibly equally wrong on one front and being wrong on six to seven fronts, that is on you.
Sanders wants to bring coal back???
As I said, climate change is very important to me and Sanders is at least as bad as Trump and possibly worse. I will not vote for a candidate who will make climate change worse than Trump. Most of Trump’s idiocy will be washed away by a term or two of a good presidency but if Sanders manages to shut down a significant number of nuclear power plants (his goal is to shut them all down) then we will be paying for his idiocy for generations.
He is going to be stuck at the same level of support for the duration, imho. There is just no way a majority is going to pick him.
While vastly superior to the current President, he’d be my last choice of the Dems in the race. (well, not really last. Ahead of Williamson and De Blasio.)
I think he’s 1) too old, 2) would probably be ineffective in getting stuff done and 3) would have a hard time beating Trump. I don’t hate his policies, and am grateful the party has moved leftward. I’ll give him some credit for that. I’m not mad at him for 2016 and don’t think he cost Clinton the election.
I’m sure there’s plenty of people like you that have just weighed the options and he scores lower. But there is a solid chunk of haters too. This board has a decent representation of the moderate Dem voters and I see too many who actively dislike the guy.
Looking at Morning Consult’s second choice numbers, somewhat oddly Biden and Sanders supporters slightly favour the other as their second choice but they aren’t anyone else’s second choice. Don’t think the numbers are big enough to back up my point though. 538 did an article contending Sanders has a high floor-low ceiling of support, I’ll look for it later.
Yes, and even if they didn’t, it’s pretty obvious. My 19-year-old son sends Bernie money monthly that he probably can’t really afford. He is ride or die for Bernie. The people picking him in polls right now are never going to abandon him. But the people not picking him in polls right now are not going to move to him in significant numbers as the field thins.
And while most candidates could use winning Iowa and/or New Hampshire as a springboard to get momentum and surge to the front, that won’t work with Bernie. That will just solidify the majority against him.
It’s not ageism to say that an incredibly important, massively stressful 24/7 job like the presidency is not suitable for an 87-year-old. (And yes, Joe Biden is also too damn old.) My mom was born the same year as Bernie, and there is just no way.
Cite? “Many” cites, that is?
Wait, what? 
The funny thing is, I feel certain that if we could give Bernie truth serum, he would not dispute this and in fact would be flattered by the description.