Rich old white people aren’t America’s ruling class?
The Democrats need someone young and vital, someone who will make Trump look like the tired old sack of shit he is. They need a Kennedy, an Obama, or a 1992 Bill Clinton. In other words, they need the kind of Democrat who actually wins elections. That isn’t Bernie, Biden or Warren.
I can’t believe this isn’t blindingly obvious.
When you can find the candidate you think we need that has the poll numbers actually needed to win, then we can talk.
If you support people, their poll numbers will grow. If you just give up on them then of course they can’t win. The thinking now seems to be that the Geezer Trio are inevitable - so we just have to stand up, look them in the eye, and say, “You’re evitable!”.
It is called “risk assessment”, and the time to play “what have we got to lose?” is not when we have this much to lose.
We can only go on the data at this stage. The polls show those three as the top tier while the younger candidates are trailing at a distance. Kamala Harris had her boom post Debate 1 and lost it post Debate 2.
Furthermore the moderate lane is exclusive to Joe Biden. The alternatives, namely Beto O’Rourke and Amy Klobuchar have no traction whatsoever. Elizabeth Warren appears to have eaten into Bernie’s wing which is splitting that progressive vote. That only helps Biden at his stage.
As Czarcasm says, your ideal candidate hasn’t shown up yet. In a way I hope they do, but I’m doubtful at this point.
The state primaries will be here before you know it. The only thing I’m looking for in a candidate, in this order:
If it turns out that Elizabeth Warren throws her support behind Bernie or if Bernie throws his support behind Elizabeth Warren (and I can get behind either scenario) then I will be voting for that person in the primary and hopefully in the general.
If you like Bernie Sanders, you might like this interview with Krystal Ball. She’s a Bernie supporter. In this interview, he’s calm, quick with a quip, and explains his positions.
HILL TV EXCLUSIVE, Full Interview: Bernie Sanders sits down with Krystal Ball
It is true that if enough people supported him he could beat Trump…but then again if enough people supported me I could beat Trump.
Having so much to lose is *exactly *why you shouldn’t be playing it safe, because playing it safe doesn’t win elections. You’re nominating people because it’s their turn, when you should be nominating the people who are cutting ahead in line. Obama, not Hillary. Obama wins. Hillary loses.
You seem couth, but I can’t say that you’re gruntled.
The worst case scenario is actually not when the elderly president keels over dead and the vice president takes over. That’s simple and straightforward. The problem comes when you have a situation like Reagan where the Cabinet starts to ponder whether to invoke the 25th Amendment, but then the president has a good day and they decide against it. We don’t need a president who has something less than full-blown dementia, but has the gradually worsening mental faculties that any octogenarian does.
I was going to tackle this one, but puzzlegal nailed it (if perhaps a bit generously).
Right? Beto, Booker, or Castro would do very nicely. Mayor Pete is taking the idea too far. Harris would still be better than any of the other current top five.
Left wingers love to say this, when the evidence actually shows the opposite. The House is currently under Democratic control because of a bunch of moderate Democratic candidates who played it safe and took seats away from Republicans.
Great analogy! And yes, we have had 70-year-old Republicans win presidential elections, but the Democrats who win the presidency are always in their 40s or 50s.
LOL, that’s awesome. Did you just come up with that, or are you quoting someone?
That subterranean bar should not be the standard. Any Democrat who can manage to shuffle down to the cafeteria for tapioca and Ensure could clear it easily.
First, Bernie is running to be president when he’s 87. Or do you think he is running to be only a one term lame duck president and then “only” be 83? Still a bad idea for multiple reasons.
Second, yes: Democrats are being unwise with their top three choices. It has happened before. But primary voters are really looking to have a stupefying lack of savviness this time, which is disconcerting to say the least.
Oh SNAP.
Cite your evidence that Bernie Sander’s mental and physical capacity has diminished.
Age affects everyone differently, I can cite examples of Biden seemingly having an “old age” moment. Bernie however has always been consistent and on topic, I can’t recall him every displaying any indication age is catching up with him unlike Biden and Trump.
Again, this argument is a nothing sandwich. There is little to no merit behind the argument Sanders is too old to be president. Maybe you think we should revoke every person over the age of 40’s ability to vote, hmm? IF you want to make the age argument then let’s really apply it where it matters.
It certainly CAN, but it doesnt necessarily set in until very advanced ages nowadays. People in their 90s are still sharp.
I think QE2 is sharp as a tack and there are guys in their 20’s I wouldnt trust with a burnt out match.
So, it’s a person by person thing.
I am not really happy with Bernie, but age isnt one of the reason.
It’s very relevant, as much as you might wish otherwise. This is politics, and being a socialist and being over 75 are the worst-polled characteristics for a presidential candidate: https://twitter.com/slackerinc/status/1166934585151819777?s=21
This poll did not ask about atheism, but that generally polls poorly as well, so Bernie is probably hitting for the trifecta. :smack:
As for age affecting everyone differently: if that is so, then why don’t we see anyone live to be 150 years old? Out of billions and billions of people we ought to see that on rare occasion, if everyone truly gets affected differently by age.
In actual reality, age wears everyone down. It wears some down more slowly than others, but only to an extent. The US military certainly does not believe the elderly can be good military leaders. Their top brass are pushed out by their early to mid sixties. Bernie wants to go 20 years or more beyond that as commander in chief? And it’s not like that’s the president’s only job!
From the “Dukakis in a tank” department, Bernie hits a speed bag to try to look vigorous, but ends up getting TKO’d by the bag. Oops! :smack: This video is EVERYTHING. Twitter Goes Wild With Video of Bernie Hitting a Speed Bag — and the Bag Hitting Back
LOL! Who the hell gave the green light to share that clip?
I wager 200 quatloos on the small hanging leather thing.
Yeah you keep making arguments about Bernie being too old. One thing you mention above is the trifecta of being over 75, a socialist and an atheist as the reason he’s polling so poorly. Where is he in the polls? 18th place? 14th place? When do you suppose he’s going to drop out of the race? Next week? Tomorrow?
Nice try, but I never said anything about him polling so poorly in the Democratic race. Democrats can be very lacking in strategery in whom they support. But his 15% or so of Democratic primary voters only represents maybe 5% at most of the overall voting population.
I believe he’s in 3rd place atm. It’s Biden by a fairly comfortable margin (so far), Warren next and I think Bernie is in 3rd. Of course, we have a long way to go, so that might change as we get closer to folks actually voting.