It’s in the video, but just when Z’s standing in that area.
But that doesn’t mean it’s not there. The video quality isn’t the greatest.
Do we have a way to verify what time it was in the police station video?
I happened to be looking at the Miami Herald and happened to click on Zimmerman video for some reason and realized it was actually different from all the other ones I’d seen.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/28/2719868/network-broadcasts-surveillance.html
I noticed this one had time/dates stamps on the bottom. ABC must have cropped them out.
Apparently Zimmerman arrived at the Sanford PD at 19:52.
It is 6 minutes long and keeps switching from camera to camera. One the third camera his shirt does look green. :smack:
In some of the views it does look like there is something on his shirt, but I can’t tell what it is. Can someone bleed on a dark green shirt and report back?
See my post: It says 19:52 on the time stamp.
I answered this in one of the threads, but to repeat: the police can and do handcuff you without arresting you. If they invited him to the station and transported him in the back, they may well have cuffed him for officer safety.
It’s not entirely uncommon for grey things to look green on film and vice versa.
I’ve got a friend on Facebook who just posted pictures of her newly painted bathroom, which she insists is grey. I’m sure in real life it is, but I’m telling you in the iPhone pictures it’s as green as Kermit’s ass.
Yes. If a person is conscious, they may not be compelled to accept medical treatment without their consent.
Part of my … um… Low grade irritation with you is this. You are incredulous and disbelieving on a topic like this, that is well-settled. What kinds of options do you imagine the authorities have to compel medical treatment?
And seldom do you ever acknowledge your error. I don’t expect to see an unambiguous, “Oh, I didn’t realize. My mistake.” when you realize an assertion has become untenable, you just quietly abandon it and move on.
I never said the cops would force him to receive accept medical treatment against their consent.
I said they would need to tell him medical evaluation is indicated, and if he still refuses, then having him sign an official declination form would be warranted so that it’s on the record.
Do you still dispute this? In law enforcement, things like this are supposed to be documented.
Would you expect something like that to be in the police report, i.e. “EMTs on scene suggested Mr. Zimmerman be taken to the emergency room for further evaluation but Mr. Zimmerman declined further treatment.”
No, I don’t think so - the duty to retreat is to retreat before you resort to lethal force. So not only does someone pulling a knife on you when you are unarmed totally qualify as a serious situation in which you might feel justified to punch a guy to stop him from stabbing you, vs. trying to run away, punching someone is not normally considered lethal force. He was resorting to the only force he had on hand, his previously-untested fists.
So I just noticed something about the report that I haven’t seen previously pointed out. Look at the first page, the “OFFENSES SECTION” - Officer Ayala appears to have listed the offense as “Homicide-Neglig Mansl-Unnecessary Killing to Prevent Unlawful Act”
I’m wondering how this fits into the whole “(X) wanted to charge him, but (Y) said no probable cause” back and forth…
And this why I have more than a low grade problem with you.
Notice the questions in the post that you responded to? As in those sentences that end with the curly looking punctuation marks? I specifically asked ** DrDeth** to clarify what he’s taking issue with. There is no need for me to acknowledge an error when no errors were being made.
I would take issue with the idea that patrolling police officers would be carrying medical release or waiver forms around with them. There is also the fact that they can’t compel anyone to sign anything wither.
I have seen police reports where it mentioned that people declined medical treatment.
If that’s such a barrier, then the cop should have noted it in the initial report then. And also, the EMTs could have such forms.
In my experience at state and local health departments, whenever a person is evaluated and deemed to need medical treatment and that person declines, it’s very important to get that documented. I find it implausible that the EMTs or cops would have neglected to do this on the scene if they really believed he had a broken nose or a potential concussion.
Question:
If evidence shows that Zimmerman shot Martin while atop him, with Martin lying face-down, would this jibe with a self-defense claim? SYG or otherwise?
the time stamp says 19:52 for almost two minutes
The author of the article notes,
“Although it’s unclear what time it was taken, it was likely taken after Zimmerman was administered first aid at the shooting scene.”
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/28/2719868/network-broadcasts-surveillance.html#storylink=cpy
that’s peculiar, imho
To be fair, there was no mention of sharks with laser beams.
Bullshit-- you are apprehended in a state in which cannot walk but must be carried
and the Police may not insist that a Doctor take a look at you? Try again with that, pal.
A broken nose is not as drastic, but if your nose is deformed and swollen to twice
its normal size then I would say the police might be vulnerable under civil liability
for *not *taking you to the ER.
But, oh-- Zimmerman’s nose was in good enough shape for him to breathe with his
mouth closed according to those police station video tapes, eh?
Fry this bastard. Fry him.
Well not in the publicly available information…yet.
I already noticed that the time only on screen only updates when they switch cameras. I have no idea if that is a bug or a feature or simply that the person that leaked the video didn’t know how to operate the system. Maybe someone who is familiar with security systems could provide more information?
Another interesting question is whether the Sanford PD stores their security video for a month or if someone realized it might be valuable and stole a copy earlier?