Has he made declarative statements in a matter of fact kind of way? I’m waiting for you to plague treis like you’ve annoyed me and monstro.
Whatever. :rolleyes:
It is abundantly clear to me that you just want to hear yourself speak and everybody else should shut up or fall in line.
I am willing to bet you can’t even summarize my speculation of events.
Yes, that’s more accurate. OTOH, I have seen multiple claims that Zimmerman refused treatment. So I am not sure where Zimmerman’s-eventually-former attorney got that idea. Unless and until we get a look at what Zimmerman actually said, I tend to treat it as I did when Martin’s family’s attorneys claimed they could hear two gunshots on the audio. They aren’t under oath, and it is possible they are either mistaken, or laying the basis for future claims.
Regards,
Shodan
I’ve corrected Terr for similar behavior. After he posted a statement from Chief Lee to prove the truth of the matter in the statement, I said:
And, amusingly, been chastised for it by a presumably pro-Zimmerman person:
Here, of course, I’m referring to Terr and company’s willingness to accept Chief Lee’s word as gospel but accused Ms. Corey of lying or bowing to political pressure.
Well let me wander back into that thread long enough to point out the connection. The Lacross students were prosecuted in the newspaper BY the prosecutor. If I recall he lost his law license over that.
Today Zimmerman is getting the same treatment directly by news outlets. First it was the ogre versus bamby photos and then it was the doctored audio tape.
Zimmerman is not getting defended in this thread for what he did. His legal rights are getting defended.
No, though you certainly annoy me on occasion – this thread not being one of them.
You, however, had made, and stuck to unwaveringly, uncounted numbers of claims and dubious assertions despite disagreement with them from pretty much everyone who commented, even from among people (like me) who believe it most likely Zimmerman killed Martin without justification. The first item I recall was something about medical information that was not on the police report, which you claimed was evidence of… something I don’t recall, and I don’t really care to go back and dig it up.
But, pretty much everyone disagreed with you, including at least two practicing attorneys, and you summarily dismissed it all. As you have done to just about every post that in any way questions your logic or conclusions.
Ellen, I apologize for my little personality-based hijack in my last post. I will not repeat it, and I would hate to be the last straw in the decision to shut down the thread.
And perhaps it’s simply old habits, but in both the Duke lacrosse case and this one, my instinct is to question the prosecution case.
Since I was a defense attorney, maybe that’s not too surprising.
Well, I am happy to have my posts in that, or any, thread, brought (back) to light; I own my mistakes.
Interestingly enough, Evil Economist, who appears to know something about Bayes’ Rule, has started a thread to comment on the statistics. Hee offered the link above and I’ll repeat it here.
He goes on to say it doesn’t add much in the way of useful information, because we DID know more than just that – a point I never disputed.
Anyway, if you would like to argue the point of the accuracy of that statement with someone who appears to have a solid understanding of statistics, please join the discussion in that thread.
I’m sorry, but who are you and why would I waste time summarizing your speculations?
Count me in the Some Crazy Person Punched Me In The Face Outta Nowhere club! I thought I was the only member! The guy that popped me split my lip with one punch thrown while he was walking past me. Took 4-5 stitches. Didn’t hurt at first. Helluva thing.
(bolding mine)
My behavior supposedly has been so egregious, so absolutist and wrong, that you’ve resorted to personal snipes at me, okay. But you can’t even be bothered to cite your reasoning and fully admit to being too apathetic to do so. The content of your claim is so vague (“…something about medical information”, really? That’s the best you got?), we can practically see your hands waving.
I have experience with documenting patient refusals, working for the government, so sorry if I see the absence of “against medical advice” in the police report as being significant. Is it a smoking gun of Zimmerman’s guilt? Of course not. Is it one out of many things that make me call his statement BS? Yes. Along with the absence of bandages on his supposedly battered skull and the absence of apparent blood on his clothes. Along with the fishy story itself.
Sue me.
I have not read every single post (has anyone?) but here’s what I think:
I’m not sure, he’d have to say, but I think Bricker’s just testing the intensity and rigidity of peoples’ biases by presenting scenarios that would, if true, normally lead to a different conclusion. If you (meaning whomever, lately it’s you with the face) refuse to speculate about how it might change things or insist that it doesn’t, it kinda says you’ve got a bias you aren’t letting go of, vs. perfect clarity about the truth of what happened.
I am mostly of the opinion (with what we do know so far) that the story we’ve been told is Zimmerman’s story has almost no believable elements in it, especially when examined alongside the other evidence we have. Part of that includes finding his tale of headbashing a wild exaggeration at best.
If I learned that he’d been bandaged and the bandage was somehow removed or fell off (is that the scenario), it would give me pause to think about it. I would then wonder about the severity of the injury that such a flimsy bandage was put on by professionals, and I would still wonder where that injury was.
I would also wonder why there were no photos of the injury and no mention of the bandage going on or coming off in the police report.
So I would wonder if the story were true at all, or something added to prop up the claims being made.
But it would give me pause, I would think about it, and these are the reactions I would have. It would be a little bit of something that might support his story, but something which doesn’t go very far for the reasons I just gave. If more came out later to make some of that skepticism go away, then my certainty about Zimmerman pretty much making up the whole thing would be reduced a tiny bit.
Because the only thing that the bandage scenario would prove is that Zimmerman got more hurt than he looks to have gotten right now, it doesn’t explain how, or why, or what his alternative options were, or what happened to begin with.
And a big part of the reason I do not personally find Zimmerman’s (purported) story credible is because of the screams for help. The person screaming like that was not a man having his head pounded into pavement and reaching for a gun. The person screaming like that was a very young man who saw someone else’s gun and knew he was looking at death. I have never heard such terror and desperation in my life, it was heartbreaking and chilling. And someone who was in the process of pounding another man’s head into the cement would not have been screaming like that. Someone who may have had Zimmerman down and was struggling with him, holding his arms because *he already had the gun in his hand *definitely could have been making sounds like that.
Combined with everything else,there’s just no way to explain what we have all heard going on in the background of those 911 calls that in any way supports GZ’s supposed version of events. At least, not on planet earth.
Thank you for making my point that you aren’t here to participate in anyway. Like Monstro you seem to pop into this thread simply to stir the shit.
I told you the same thing so many times, it was like talking to an old deaf man with Alzheimers at a certain point. Your BS disclaimer about “all other things being equal” totally rendered your assertion meaningless in a discussion about the Duke case because “all other things being equal” doesn’t exist in the real world. It only exists in the abstract. And you weren’t making an abstract argument.
You’re trying to present your position in that thread as something less offensively stupid than it was. But everyone who argued with you page after page after page knows exactly what you were saying, Bricker.
In what capacity? Police, EMT, medical professional?
I don’t think it or anything anyone says really matters too you though. I think you have convinced yourself that this is 100% a racially motivated killing and that Trayvon’s actions played no part in events. Zimmerman was just out to kill himself a black punk. :rolleyes:
The latter.
Now, see this?
I read this as someone who has a pretty solid conviction in her mind about Zimmerman’s guilt, but is willing to imagine and explore the effect certain factual scenarios, if discovered to be true, would have on that conviction. And she’s comfortable in saying that it wouldn’t sway her much, but it would have some, tiny, effect.
What’s so horrible about that?
I agree, I think. I’m just not sanguine that we know what GZ’s actual version is, as opposed to a totem-pole hearsay recounting of his story.
Nothing.
What’s horrible is watching you derail a perfectly good discussion so you can relentlessly browbeat people for reasons that have more to do with your ego than anything of real consequence. That’s what is horrible.