Yes, that was the argument by the air-headed intellectual nobody in the comic book. I would hope that no one in the real world would seriously argue that unless someone is involved in pointless pop culture they should have no voice in anything important going on. Heck, people obsessed with the things that comic book character was going on about are in far less of a position to make any decisions about anything important.
There has been plenty of bondage imagery in the Wonder Woman comics throughout her story, it’s just not as common as in the Marston years, when it was kinda overwhelming … one issue had 76 panels with images of women in bondage in it. I’d say that the bondage elements of WW have continued into the present day as a very minor subtheme of the comic. It’s really amazing what Marson got away with back in the 1940s, but that’s largely because, I think, other comics were getting away with more intense imagery with sadistic elements, often having to do with anti-German anti-Japanese propoganda, which was pale stuff compared with what the Germans and Japanese were actually doing to people, but VERY strong imagery compared with what came when the Comics Code happened.
That was horrid. Cap socked Hitler in the jaw, damn it!
That’s the point; for better or worse, we live in a world today where most problems can’t be solved by socking someone in the jaw.
How on Earth did we get onto human rights violations? Eh? Massive leap of logic much?
Anyway, I see others have answered this, so best move on.
The definitive response to that bit of nonsense:
How about cupcakes?
Yeah, I remember reading that back when it came out.
I disagree with it. The point it doesn’t get is that Captain America set himself up to be the guardian of our ideals, but who says he should be? Why does everyone have to dance to the beat of Captain America’s drum? I believe that the point that writer was trying to make was that if Cap is so far removed from the people at large how can he declare himself to be the guardian of what we believe in? That is not the same thing as saying “all people care about is MySpace”,it is just pointing out that if you don’t understand people then you don’t have the right to declare yourself to be the guardian of their ideals.
But I think that is a bit of a hijack.
Who said they had to be obsessed with anything?
The point isn’t that Cap should have “no voice”, it is more that Cap was fighting - properly fighting with people dying and massive amounts of damage to public building and services - a fight that he had started, based around his own belief of what the American people wanted. The problem is, he was so far removed from the American people that it was quite possible that he had no idea what they wanted at all.
If it hadn’t been poorly written, that exchange may have been better received. As it is, it comes off as someone popping off to a dude who socked Hitler in the jaw. The Red Skull doesn’t take Facebook breaks!
Yes, that’s what I’ve heard reported.
I haven’t read the thread, just the OP and the first few posts after it. All I’ve got to say is that I’m shocked that there are actually people clamoring for this. I didn’t think anyone liked Wonder Woman.
Here’s another reason why Wonderwoman is less likely to get her own movies:
Unlike Superman, Batman and the big Marvel names, Wonderwoman is almost unknown outside the US. Most popular culture is eminently exportable, but Wonderwoman is one of these characters, like The Three Stooges (who?) that people in other countries just don’t seem to get. Maybe it’s the stars and stripes inspired outfit, I don’t know. International box office and DVD sales are a factor that can’t be discounted.
There’s an idea for a thread - which franchises are popular in the US, but not really anywhere else? The Daily Show and The Colbert Report, obviously. Dr Seuss seems much less well known - hard to translate, I suppose. Captain America. The above mentioned Stooges, as well as Abbot and Costello, although Laurel and Hardy seem to have done well. People seem not to have heard of The Honeymooners and most other early sitcoms. Most country music. Professional wrestling, with some exceptions like Japan. Anything that features football or baseball, and the sports themselves.
Nitpick: The Daily Show is shown in the UK and elsewhere, although I don’t know what viewing figures are like. Stan Laurel was actually English and Laurel and Hardy were immensely popular and influential here, as were Abbott and Costello.
Captain America, however, isn’t likely to go over well overseas for obvious reasons - too jingoistic and militaristic.
A Captain America movie made by a non-American director–Korean, maybe, or French–could be *extremely interesting.
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I have not read many Captain America comics, or any in the past 10 years or so, but I think there could be a terrific story in a man who symbolized America’s Best back during WWII being revived in 2010 and confronting the changes in America and the world. What does it mean to be a symbol of America today? How would he relate to the government, the Iraq War, the War on Drugs, and so on? What would he say about the treatment of women and blacks during the period that he represents? If he still represents America’s Best–who is he?
Now I have The Kinks “Catch Me Now I’m Falling” as an ear worm.
Thank you. I was digging that up myself.
I like this. I like this a lot.
Luc Besson. Spend the first 15 minutes or so showing who Cap was in the 1940’s. Then he gets frozen… Fast forward to today, and he is found and thawed out.
Cap spends the rest of the movie first trying to live by the morals and guidelines of a world that has moved on, then trying to find out what the new rule are, then does what a proper hero should do, and that is to do the right thing, even if it is unpopular.
I would LOVE to see a WONDER WOMAN movie. Even better, I would love to play Wonder Woman. There are some great web series about women superheroes, but not web series about Wonder Woman. I’m sure it would be hard to get the rights to do that.
There’s Wonderella, who is pretty much Wonder Woman with the serial numbers filed off.