Why HIV won't ever be cured AKA the stupidity I work with

I’ve ranted a number of times about the idiots I have to work with.

These are the idiots who are working on cutting edge virology all in a selfless attempt to cure the world of terrible fatal diseases, STDs and to earn enough money to get blotto on friday night.
This is going to be more incoherent than usual… between the frozen burrito I had for dinner (and subsequent issues it generated) and the car alarm that went off for 10 freaking hours I’m a little tired.

Not to mention I’m having some anger issues at the moment.
Anyhoo:

Picture this: you’re a bold explorer in science.

You’ve striving to find the perfect marrage between buisness and science.

You’ve ended up slightly junior to a twerp 2 years out of undergrad.

On your wall you proundly display the 4 keys to science which are written by a nobel lauriet. I suspect it’s Watson or Crick… something this stupid can only be written by someone who stole all their data.

  1. To succed in science you have to avoid dumb people, you must always turn to people smarter than yourself.

– Piece of cake for you. For me, 6 hrs each day this is substantially harder to do.

  1. To make a huge success, a scienist has to be prepaired to get into deep trouble.

– This is a VERY disturbing key to succeeding in science. NOBODY wants a virologist who gets into “DEEP TROUBLE”. What sort of trouble too? Are we talking drug trouble? Women trouble? Or the insatiable urge to whore yourself out in tijuana for shiny quarters so you can prank call people in New Jersey without your wife finding out.

Sweet hemmoraging christ folks. You don’t want virologists getting into deep trouble. Yeah sure, there was a time and a place when we needed scientists who said, “Lets try all these different plants we found in Africa on poor people then see if they will feel pain during a 4 hr exploritory surgery.” I think that time has passed.

  1. Be sure you always have someone up your sleeve who will save you when you find yourself in deep ship.

– A fall guy. A suggar daddy. Someone who can make those 4 dozen hiddeously mutated and dismembered corpses go away before the FBI can find them. If you had the brain god gave to a piece of distended rectum you shouldn’t need a fall guy.

  1. Never do anything that bores you. Constantly expose your ideas to constructive criticism.

– Unless you’re a moron.
Christ, my eyes are throbbing. They’re throbbing in time and in sequence to that god damn car alarm. Over and over again… it’s one of those 4 different sounds in 1 alarms. You know the sound, it’s like you strapped a male banshee down, spread his legs and cinched a bloodpressure cuff around his scrotum and started pumping.

It’s the sound god makes when he gets his balls stuck in a car crusher.

So, say you’ve got a problem.

You have 2 cytokines (each a specific type of protein) you have to treat some cells with them at a concentration of 20 ng /mL for one, and 10 ng/mL for the other.

Each cytokine comes in a 5 ug vial.

Now, you have to add the cytokines to media, 1 mL of media to be exact.

Only you don’t how to reconstitute the protien.

You see the protien comes in a powder, you add PBS and BSA and presto! You have cytokines in solution. You don’t want to make the cytokines too dilute, if you have to use 500uL of cytokine solution you can only add 500mL of media which won’t be enough food for the cells.

So you can see the problem here.

Clearly this is problem beyond a master’s degree.

“How should I reconstitute them?”

“What concentration do you want?”

“20ng/mL and 10ng/mL”

“If you make them like that you won’t be able to add media, it’ll be all PBS and cytokine”

“Oh”

“Yep”

“What should I do”

A full mag and some privacy would be appreciated, but given how my luck is going you wouldn’t take the hint and I’d be stuck with having to help you load the goddamn gun.

“What concetration of the cytokines do you want to work with?”

“20ng/uL and 10ng/uL” – 1000X concentrations…

  • 10ng goes into 5ug 500 times… I’d try adding .5mL, but what would I know I’ve only got a BA…*

“250 and 500 uL respectively”

“huh”

I write it out.

“Thanks”

“Don’t forget you need to have BSA in there too, if you have too small of a total volume you won’t be able to add enough BSA.”

You see, they both need .1% BSA to stabalize the cytokine. If you have only a 250 uL total volume, .1% of that is .25 uL which is too small to easilly pipette… Personally I’d make the 10ng/mL cytokine up in 1mL, with 1 uL of BSA and have a 2.5 ng/uL stock and just add 4 uL/mL of media.

This wasted 30 min of my day.

And considering I’ll have to explain it again it’ll probably waste another 40 min.
God I can still hear the fucking alarm.

YAY it’s lunchtime.

Time to do the crossword! With Boy who sucks on a straw trying to get the last .000000000000000000000001 uL of soda out of a the ice for

45 FREAKING MIN!

I’m thinking of finding religion… if I become a Satanist I can summon deamon to eat my enemies right?

Heck, I’ll try any religion that gives me smiting powers.

Great rant, hate those car alarms as well. You can’t teach bozo-cow-orker to measure solution concentration by taste can you?

eyes the 1 MU of Hygromycin

Err no.

Why are you wasting time fiddling with daemons?

I thought you were making progress on the Monkeys with Flourescent Genetalia project.

CRorex, I love your work rants even though I never understand a word you’re saying.

CRorex’s work rants amuse me and scare the everloving piss out of me at the same time. :slight_smile:

Dragonblink, I’m too confused to know if I should be scared

As a fellow lab worker, can I just say—BWA HA HA HA HAHA HA!
Give me a fucking break. 99% of our work is test and repeat, test and repeat, test and repeat. The most basic principle of science is that you must be able to duplicate your results. And I don’t care if you’re studying the mating rituals of purple-peniied flying hippopotamuses, doing anything for the five hundred thousandth time tends to get a little dull.

And oh yeah, car alarms are a tool of the devil. There’s a schmuck down the street from here with a rustbucket car that apparently has zero muffler left. Everytime it drives down the street it sets off at least two alarms. Grrrrrr…

Nope. Didn’t get a bit of that. Sorry.

wmulax93

It’s pretty easy… We have to culture cells and stimulate the cells with the cytokines (cytokines are messenger proteins they tell cells to grow in certain ways).

So you’ve got to have both media and cytokines, cytokines are stored in Phosphate Buffered Saline.

Now, lets say you’re making a 1 mL culture, but to get the right concentration of cytokines you have to use 900 uL of your cytokine mix.

1000 - 900 = 100 so you’d only have 100 uL of media in the culture. Which isn’t enough food for a large number of cells for very long.
Think about it this way: You need 2,000 calories a day to survive. But you can only eat a total volume of food = to 1 kg.

If you eat .995 kg’s of celery and only get 300 calories you’re stuck trying to cram 1700 calories into .005 kg of food. A bad analogy but pretty similar

That explanation actually make sense, thanks. People like you usually make people like me (English majors) have headaches.

That explanation actually make sense, thanks. People like you usually make people like me (English majors) have headaches.

Please keep in mind, CRorex, that a lot of undergraduate/ newly graduated researchers haven’t had a math class since freshman year, so doing dilutions can be a little tricky the first few times around. I would have had to sit down and think about the situation you just mentioned, but I probably could’ve gotten it before the day was over :slight_smile:

But if people have to ask you over and over again how to do a simple procedure, it’s pathetic. That’s what a lab notebook is for! Write it down, dammit!

Hello CRorex and welcome to my world.
You see, when people like your lovely lab mate, don’t have coworkers to pester with their stupid questions, they call me.
And it’s my job to answer all of their questions, repeatedly, with a smile on my face… ALL DAY LONG

AGGHGHGHGHGHGHGGHGHGH!

I only have a BS degree (in Biochem)… now granted I’ve spent the last 6 (long) years of my life learning as much as humanly possible about the 2000 or so different chemicals, proteins, enzymes etc. my company sells. But it’s really kinda sad when people with multiple pHd’s who have managed to express themselves well enough to receive huge government research grants call me and ask me to do concentration calcultions for them. (or ask me what the units are for molecular weight). And yes, this happens frequently.

On the otherhand, you haven’t really lived until a former professor calls you with an extremely basic question.

May I suggest you purchase a large inflatable baseball bat and use it to wack stupid co-worker over the head?

-Pandora

Naaah. Get an aluminum one. But soften it up on the car first.

Why not just get a wiffle bat? It’ll take much hitting before you manage to hurt the person.

Seriously?

I know squat about applied biology, but that’s just simple arithmetic. A junior high school algebra student should be able to work that out.

Should I feel like a jerk for getting annoyed with recent engineering graduates who can’t seem to remember basic differential calculus?

Yeah I agree with Exgineer here.

You’re dealing with science, biological sciences are based off of principles of physics (atomic interactions and all that good stuff) which is in turn based off of math.

I took lots of calc, sat in on a number theory class for a bit and a chaos theory seminar series… I didn’t take stats, but I bought a stats book and read through it to give me a basic understanding.

While you don’t need a working understanding of the basic principles of calculus to be able to do basic research well, at least being able to use a FREAKING CALCULATOR helps. He can’t use one of those either

I’m lost here… From what I remember, it was either Watson or Crick who (supposedly) stole the data from Franklin (and her boss).

On second reading, I got it. :slight_smile: It was confusing, though.