You submitting that willfull ignorance is the cause for all this foofraw? I reckon you may be right.
It was sarcasm.
But since you asked, I feel somethign of what I said. I think the war was a good thing. I have posted on these boards before the war started that it did not matter to me if WMD were found. But that’s just me, and I am not trying to convince anyone with an arguement about it.
I think if the US can help Iraq become better than it was then we should. Not because we invaded and removed their pet despot, but becuase I think that it what this country has become in the past century. I feel that Iraq had braugth it’s demise and conditioins upon itself within the last 20 years. And I dont think we had a valid opportunity to help them until now. So if w can afford it there is not reason not too. If our intent was to just hurt them then we should leave. If it is to help better them then we should not put any unnecessary roadblocks in their developement.
Though we may disagree on the road on how we got there, I think we agree that if we are going to give them the money anyways, there is no sense in putting conditions on it that they could not meet. Especially when they are not asking for it. And any country who does not help Iraq just to spite the coalition (or another party) should choke on their pettiness.
>> And any country who does not help Iraq just to spite the coalition (or another party) should choke on their pettiness.
So the rest of the world should just submit to US rule? Give money and soldiers and have no say? I say any country which sets conditions which would discourage others from giving should choke on their pettiness. If the USA wants to be the big boss answerable to nobody then it can fucking well pay the bill. You want to call the tune? Then you pay the piper.
If the USA wants to encourage donations all they have to do is be willing to let the donors have a say but that has been discounted.
It is pathetic to see the US government begging others for money and making it look like they care about the Iraqi people. If they cared about the Iraqi people they would do the right thing and agree to let other countries have a say in the future of Iraq.
It seems it was only yesterday when the US government was going to war and was threatening countries who did not support it from being left out of the lucrative reconstruction contracts.
The fact is the USA made this mess and the USA should pay for the entire bil and be grateful for any help it gets. The money helps the USA more than it helps the Iraqi people.
And BTW, the EU is giving a lot in humanitarian aid, it is just not giving where the USA wants it to give: towards reconstruction.
Sailor, I have 15 brothers and sisters. My parents are now long dead, but when we were younger our family took in some orphans, including one who was extremely gifted. His name was Ira. Unfortunately Ira became ill with alcholism and descended to a homeless lifestyle, living under a bridge and hanging out with similar unfortunate people.
My siblings, both biological and adopted debated what to do, many in fear of physical harm because it was reported that Ira possessed a machine gun. Little Jacob, one of our adopted siblings was particularly concerned, because it was no secret that Ira hated Jacob’s guts, and Jacob several years earlier managed to take a semi-automatic away from him.
It seemed to me that our talking was going nowhere, and having quite a few children myself for which I was worried, and military aquaintances who were trained in apprehension, I decided to kidnap and commit Ira to an institution for rahabilitation. It hasn’t been easy and quite costly.
Its costing my own family $870 a month, and we have to dip into the Visa to do it. I have petitioned my brothers and sisters for help in this regard, but they argue that I should not have arbitrarily proceeded. They do pass the hat and send a pizza every month to Ira costing them $13.765, and I get cheques from them totaling $0.14 a month to help with the monthly bill.
I’m not impressed.
grienspace, nice story but I know what happened in reality. What happened was that you hated Ira and wanted Ira’s yard. You made up excuses about Ira’s family being threatening which the community did not believe. In spite of the community’s opposition you killed all of Ira’s family, destroyed Ira’s house and kidnapped Ira. Now you are asking for money in the name of Ira but you have still not freed Ira so in reality you are asking for money to suit your own ends. The community is reminding you taht you broke the law with what you did, they are reminding you that you are the cause of the problem and they are saying they are very willing to help Ira as soon as you cease the kidnapping and set Ira free. This in spite of the fact that you caused the entire problem in the first place.
Wow sailor, Bravo. You really understood what I was talking about. Thanks for the example of the pettiness that is so prevalant on this issue. You even catpured the vitriolic aura of baseness and spite I have come accross.
Well done, could not have given a better example myself.
Good show!