Alright, I’m sick of this shit.
Didn’t mean to ignore anybody–I didn’t subscribe to this thread & I don’t tend to hang out in GD. A fact for which there’s probably a good reason … But here goes!
Never had one, never needed one, or even to check ID. I think you missed my point–if you need to check the ID or birth certificate of the person you’re about to sleep with, you’re doing it wrong. IMO, of course …
Look, I agree that with statutory rape being a strict liability offense, casual sex and picking up prostitutes is an inherently risky proposition. That, to me, makes avoiding that kind of behavior a very wise choice. The speedometer example I gave may not be a good one, because you may not reasonably have an option just to not drive, so you have to trust your speedometer. But you don’t have to trust your eyeball estimate of a sex partner’s age, or even your judgement of whether their driver’s license is fake. You can just refrain, if those are your only points of reference. Not even necessarily forever, but long enough to actually get to know the person, meet their friends and/or family, etc. If you find out that most of her friends are high school freshmen before you get to second base, you have a chance to bow out gracefully.
I absolutely agree. And eighteen, as some in this thread have noted, is probably too high for a reasonable age of consent. But there needs to be a line. And while prostitution is illegal, a customer is going to be at risk of dealing with unethical pimps, who lure in teenage runaways and beat them until they agree to sell themselves. It’s people like LT that keep people like that pimp in business, and I have no goddamned sympathy whatsoever.
If both survive the lirpa, combat will continue with the ahn woon…
This is a whoosh, right? Obviously, the comments are :rolleyes: at Dio’s not even paying attention to the statements before responding to them with the same old talking points.
No contradiction. It is legally impossible for her to be able to give consent. It’s impossible for her to have the cognitive ability to appreciate the emotional consequences of such a decision and hence impossible for her to be able to form the legal mens rea to “entrap” the little pedo.
Diogenides - do you think a 15-year-old girl has “the cognitive ability to appreciate the emotional consequences” of having sex with a 15-17 year-old boy?
No.
That’s not an opinion, by the way. It’s physiology. Their brains have not stopped devoloping yet. teenagers of that age have not yet developed the physiological capacity to understand long term ramifications of decisions. They are much more impulsive.
Is anyone going to answer this question?
Irrelevant. A 15-year-old certainly has the ability to comprehend the notion of tricking someone into getting into legal hot water – emotion (except for whatever perverted emotion may drive her to commit such a crime, which is another side issue) doesn’t enter into it.
No she doesn’t.
Is anyone going to take the bait of this question so you can be called a child molesting pervert by Dio?
Oh hell why not. 13.
No, I changed my mind. 4.
Then why are people held legally responsible for other crimes? Do you think people should only be responsible for their actions once they hit 18?
If a 17 year old murders someone, they should get away with it right? Because their brains haven’t developed yet, and they can’t understand the ramifications of their actions?
If she’s prepubescent, I’d say there’s very little chance of a mix up.
What if you’re 18-21 yourself? And how do you know *you *didn’t need to check? What you said was, “If I don’t know a girl well enough to know how old she is, I don’t know her well enough to have sex with her.” I want to know exactly how well you’ve known all the women you’ve slept with, that you can be absolutely 100% sure they were of legal age. Would be nice to know how old they were at the time, too. Unless you’ve never slept with anyone under, say, 35 or 40, I’d say you’re on the hook for potential statuatory rape by your own criteria. (Isn’t that what they usually card up to by physical appearance for cigs/alcohol?)
And your *opinion *about what’s an appropriate age of person to sleep with doesn’t enter into it. You can think it’s groady to sleep with a barely-legal person once you’re past, say, your early to mid 20s (and I’d agree). But that has no bearing on whether or not someone else has a *legal right *to have sex with those people.
What if she stole his wallet? Is she too young to understand that that’s wrong, either? Whoever said upthread that this is just another example of you picking a wrongheaded position and then stubbornly sticking with it against all logic and counterevidence is right on the money.
Sure. I think there should be *no set age *at which a person is too young to possibly be mistaken for being over the legal age of consent. Kids are entering puberty younger and younger. It should be *up to the jury on a case-by-case basis *to decide whether or not the person accused of statuatory rape might have reasonably believed that the minor they had sex with was of legal age.
Now are you going to answer any of *my *questions or address any of *my *objections? (Answer: of course not. Because then you’d actually have to admit your arguments are completely off base. Not to mention your disgusting accusations about the motivations of everyone posting to this thread.)
I’d also like you to actually address the scenario that was actually posed by the OP: a woman who looks and acts 21 and has the ID to prove it. Regardless of whether or not you think that’s possible :rolleyes: (even though you have a bunch of people here telling you it is and has been).
So we agree that there is a point where strict liability should be the law, and now all we’re quibbling over is where to draw the line.
What is the age? “Prepubescent” is not an age.
Is there some reason you are reluctant to give a serious answer?
Judging from the message that immediately follows:
…it would seem that the main point of agreement on this thread is that your arguments are deserving of mockery.
I don’t think trying to do chicks that are riding around a bike with streamers and a basket is right, no. But if a chick shows you her ID reporting that she is 21, I don’t think she is the victim if she is lying about her age.