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:mad: I( have just been to the above-mentioned thread about when it is admissible to commit suicide and I have just read a whole series of postings that would be much more likely to be seen as encouragements to suicide than anything I said in my posting last April. Frankly, when you read lines like this:
"It is acceptable to commit suicide when one is prepared to die.
Not trying to be glib, but it anything can be deemed a personal decision, this would be it, wouldn’t you think?"
If anyone is going to sue the READER because someone practised self-liberation after reading something on this site, I would think one or two of those postings would be a liklier candidate than my simple posting.
I guess my unpardonable sin was to be honest and personal, so I am just going to tell you all to shove it, and I will refrain from this topic on SDMB. But pardon me if I get a bit cyncical when I see the “fighting ignorance” logo :rolleyes:
There are plenty of other sites where I can discuss this without dealing with this hypocritcal crap. Consider this my last posting on this subject..
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[QUOTE=Valteron]
There are plenty of other sites where I can discuss this without dealing with this hypocritcal crap. Consider this my last posting on this subject..
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Well, you know, don’t let the door hit you on the way out. And hey! The front door, dammit! I have my … special stuff out the back.
[QUOTE=Valteron]
I guess my unpardonable sin was to be honest and personal, so I am just going to tell you all to shove it, and I will refrain from this topic on SDMB. But pardon me if I get a bit cyncical when I see the “fighting ignorance” logo
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Actually, I’d chalk that one up in the win column for the SDMB. YMMV.
Valteron, I’m curious-why are you so against going to a medical professional? You seem extremely defensive about this.
Also, why bring up other cultures/societies? Even if suicide is acceptable in Japan and Scandinavian countries, the US culture is not the same.
So please note that I have NOT already found several sites elsewhere on the internet that give very useful explanations on how to do it. It is also UNTRUE that I have already bought a carbon monoxide meter and constructed a plastic sheeting tent to erect on my back proch.
Nosiree Bob!
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And you are NOT a troll, and you are NOT trying to get a rise out of posters here with a real knowledge of depression and the effects of suicide.
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Haven’t you been paying attention? You can take the whole bottle, you just can’t post about it.
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I skipped out on some of the linked posts, so I might have missed some of the nuances of the thread. I just kill myself when I do that. Woops! I DID NOT post that, I didn’t.
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And you, Blanche, have the right to decide that it is NOT the right option for them? You must certainly be all-knowing.
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I wouldn’t make that judgement, but other people might. If suicide talk was not moderated at all, someone discussing how horrible their life is might have someone point out that in their case, suicide might be the best option (I’ve seen it happen on other boards). This might send an already emotionally disturbed person down a path they hadn’t really considered seriously before, and cause a lot of grief and blame-laying if someone does off themselves.
By the way, how many people on this board are known to have committed suicide? It’s a pretty big board that’s been around a while, so I’m sure there have been a few.
There are plenty of other sites where I can discuss this without dealing with this hypocritcal crap. Consider this my last posting on this subject..
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Which is, of course, precisely what the mods have requested of you, so thanks for your cooperation!
Reminds me of the story (in the Acts of Gord, IIRC) of a customer who was acting like an ass, so the manager told them their business was no longer welcome, and ordered them to leave. The customer got huffy and announced that they’d never patronize the store again. To which the manager replied, “Yes, that’s what I just said.”
I think the thread was locked a great deal more for reasons of “cover the Reader’s ass” than for any genuine concern over me.
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Then it’s you who have a reading comprehension problem. I was concerned about you, not the Reader.
And I resent being called a censor, asshole.
As opposed to the two other moderators who have replied in this thread, I think you could start a properly constructed thread in Great Debates. To use your own words, it might be about
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This is just my opinion.
While my first sentence above was posted as a moderator officially answering your concern, the rest was done as a poster.
I know I said I would shut my trap and say no more, but since several posters keep asking why I refuse to see a doctor or a professional, I will break my rule and answer you. Has it ever occurred to you patronizing, condescending assholes that maybe I HAVE consulted whole load of shrinks and psychologists, none of whom understand fuck-all about why I feel the way I do?
What enrages me is your condescending refusal to admit that suicide can be the sane option of a sane person. That on a planet inhabited by six billion psychotic apes, one more or less is not going to change much.
Secondly, the OP in which I committed the unpardonable sin of being honest and revealing my intentions was NOT an attempt to ask any of you to decide on the SDMB whether or not I should self-liberate. It was an attempt to see if anyone else had faced the same problems upon retirement and how they had coped with it. This time, unlike the aging movie stars who are continuously having farewells and returns, I will indeed shut my fucking yap because this thread is getting none of us anywhere and this discussion has turned into a pointless shouting match.
Valteron. I’m not trying to be condescending. I’m not trying to patronize you.
I’ve been there. I’ve been in that headspace. I’ve convinced myself that life isn’t worth it, that it wouldn’t make a difference if I died, that nobody cared or gave a shit about me.
They did and they do, and people care for you. And life is worth it. And there’s nothing sane or noble or good about suicide.
Please, speaking for everyone on the board, find medical help.
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Has it ever occurred to you patronizing, condescending assholes that maybe I HAVE consulted whole load of shrinks and psychologists, none of whom understand fuck-all about why I feel the way I do?
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No, it didn’t. People who freely go see loads of shrinks don’t generally fly off the handle at the suggestion that they see a doctor. And, while we’re being all honest and shit, I still don’t believe you have. For some reason “How dare you suggest I should see a doctor! Also, I’ve already seen tons of doctors, jerk!” just isn’t a convincing combo.
If I’m right and you haven’t seen anyone lately, I really hope you change your mind and go see someone, even if it’s just to confirm that there’s nothing wrong. If I’m wrong, you might consider not flying off the handle on internet strangers for not knowing your circumstances and history.
If you leave the “I’m thinking of killing myself” part out of it, I don’t think anyone would object to a thread about coping with retirement. It’s really just the “I’m thinking of killing myself” part of your original OP that we had a problem with.
I’ve participated in quite a number of suicide threads here. And since I am okay with the idea of suicide and post from that perspective, I think I can say that I don’t think there is censoring being done when it comes to discussions of the ethics, laws, psychology, etc. surrounding suicide.
When I retired, it was because I was too depressed to continue working – not the other way around. I would never have thought of suicide as “self-liberation.” Those times in my life when suicide seemed like a good option, it was because I felt I had no “self” – just a lot of pain. Suicide seemed like a way to stop the pain and stop existing.
Self-liberation, my ass.
Have we said that someone has to be mentally ill to commit suicide? Don’t think so. Just because we have suggested that you should perhaps seek advice from a physician does not mean that everyone who contemplates suicide is irrational.
Your logic is faulty.
And irrational.
If you really want opinions and discussions on this topic, read some of the other threads on suicide first. Your ideas are not new. Practice your bullying off site. Get a grasp of how this place works by reading the rules and browsing a bit.
If you just want to troll, thank you for your membership dues.