I mean, are you going to seriously pretend that it isn’t a complete cultural meme that black people are loud? That black people don’t drink coffee? That black people don’t go camping?
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I’ve never heard the second two, but I’ve heard (and wondered about) the first one, sure. I am familiar with the idea that black people are louder than white people in some situations - primarily as audience members of plays and stand-up. Heck, we were warned about it in high school by our speech and drama coaches, so we’d know to pay more attention and not step on louder, longer laughs or be distracted by “shout-outs” which were likely at the schools with a majority of black students (and their students, I found out from talking to them, were likewise warned that when they got mostly silence and some short, quiet laughter from us it wasn’t 'cause we hated their performance, it was just how “white kids” were taught to behave in the theater.)
So, yeah, I’m familiar with the meme. The stereotype. So why did you not ask where the meme came from? Where the stereotype came from? If the stereotype, in our experiences holds true? Those are all pretty non-offensive questions. Assuming - nay, insisting - that the stereotype (or meme, if you prefer, but they are two different things) is true and that the truth is inarguable in your OP is what got you branded a racist.
You didn’t ask “Why is there a stereotype that black people are louder than white?” or “Have you found it to be true that black people are sometimes louder than white people at certain events, like at the theater? If so, is there a cultural reason for that?” You asked “Why are black people so loud?” Do you seriously not see a difference? You presented yourself as absolutely convinced of your starting point, and left no room for discussion.
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I knew a White guy who dated exclusively Black women, and I thought it was a little strange, like he had a fetish or something. But it’s a free world.
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BET comics are paid to be funny, not to be professors on race and social memes. Although, if you had posted your OP as: “I think a meme exists that Black people are loud. What do you think?” you might have gotten the reaction you desire.
You could apologize for your prior posts and start over from scratch. Or we can continue walking down this flaming festerfuck. Your call.
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That black people don’t go camping?
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Dude, this is Illinois, compared to the coasts, no one goes camping. “Hey wanna head up east to camp in some Indiana prarie?” “No, howsabout west to some Iowa prarie?” “Donwstate?” “Oh, I think if we head a few hours north we can find some foothills in Wisconsin.”
You didn’t ask “Why is there a stereotype that black people are louder than white?” or “Have you found it to be true that black people are sometimes louder than white people at certain events, like at the theater? If so, is there a cultural reason for that?” You asked “Why are black people so loud?” Do you seriously not see a difference? You presented yourself as absolutely convinced of your starting point, and left no room for discussion.
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I see your point exactly. There is plenty of room for discussion here about why and how specific sterotypes arise and if they hold any truth.
“Why does it seem to me that coffee is not as popular with black people as it is with white people?” is an open ended question searching for an honest answer.
“How come blacks don’t drink coffee?” is a sweeping generalization implying that every black person hates coffee for a fact and why is that?
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Note for you guys getting flack for your insulting generalizations of black people: alluding to BET comics as if they’re the prophets of blackdom does not help your case.
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But that’s not happening. People are acting like they’ve never heard this idea before, as though I just made it up and pulled it out of my ass to be offensive, which is RIDICULOUS. We’re pointing out that this is a clearly well-known and accepted idea to the point where EVEN BLACKS THEMSELVES talk about it and laugh about it.
“How come blacks don’t drink coffee?” is a sweeping generalization implying that every black person hates coffee for a fact and why is that?
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When someone says, “Hey, why don’t white people eat chitterlings?.” they’re not communicating “There is not a single white person that eats chitterlings. No white person has ever eaten chitterlings.” They’re communicating that in general, whites are known to avoid them. Only a language-nitpicking fuckhead would insist otherwise.
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But that’s not happening. People are acting like they’ve never heard this idea before, as though I just made it up and pulled it out of my ass to be offensive, which is RIDICULOUS. We’re pointing out that this is a clearly well-known and accepted idea to the point where EVEN BLACKS THEMSELVES talk about it and laugh about it.
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Cross my heart I’ve never heard it before and I haven’t led a sheltered life. But I don’t spend a lot of time with people that do a lot of stereotyping and I wasn’t raised that way, so I missed out.
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When someone says, “Hey, why don’t white people eat chitterlings?.” they’re not communicating “There is not a single white person that eats chitterlings. No white person has ever eaten chitterlings.” They’re communicating that in general, whites are known to avoid them. Only a language-nitpicking fuckhead would insist otherwise.
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No, your wrong there. Making a statement like “Hey, why don’t white people eat chitterlings?” is also a sweeping generalization that is wrong.
Sure, it is semantics but it’s also the difference in making yourself look semi-educated vs. looking like a douche.
VCO3, I am with you here, but as I and others have said, it’s all in the way you ask- you could ask a nun if she likes have a horse ass-fuck her while a chimpanzee pees on her while an 80-year old watches and jacksoff if you phrase it right.
The thing is, VCO3, when dozens of other people are all telling you the same thing, you need to stop and consider the possibility that maybe the “board” is right and it’s you that’s wrong.
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No, your wrong there. Making a statement like “Hey, why don’t white people eat chitterlings?” is also a sweeping generalization that is wrong.
Sure, it is semantics but it’s also the difference in making yourself look semi-educated vs. looking like a douche.
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Awesome; the guy that can’t construct a simple contraction is lecturing me on semantics.
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Awesome; the guy that can’t construct a simple contraction is lecturing me on semantics.
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Doesn’t exactly invalidate his point.
Anyhow, chitterlings, aka “chitlins”, are a bit of Southern soul food. They are probably associated with black culture as strongly as things like ribs, fried chicken, and grape soda. The are the intestines of a pig, usually prepared by being repeatedly cleaned out, boiled, and served with hot sauce. They are occassionally deep fried as well. This white boy has prepared and eaten them–they’re not bad, but they do make the house stink like a barn when you’re cooking them up.
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] VCO3, I am with you here, but as I and others have said, it’s all in the way you ask- you could ask a nun if she likes have a horse ass-fuck her while a chimpanzee pees on her while an 80-year old watches and jacksoff if you phrase it right.
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While I don’t agree with the post, what if this is VCO3’s acutally only experience with blacks? Maybe he/she only goes in public to his/her job, where by coincidence there are loud blacks?
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Re-read the first paragraph, VC03 makes it pretty clear that he’s referring to everyone.
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I feel qualified to make this completely unscientific observation because I’ve worked with a lot of black people on many levels of the socioeconomic spectrum (from small, independent retail to big box stores to the academic world to the corporate office), I have a lot of black friends and associates (I make and sell rap beats on the side), and I worked in a coffee shop for the past year.
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