Could you be more specific? Is it Sean Hannity?
Shodan, for the last page or so, you have been replying to someone you call “Evil Captor”. However, I see no posts from him in this thread. In fact, I have searched the user name, and can find no proof of the existence of any poster by that name. You are beginning to scare people with these references to this person named “Evil Captor”. Please, come to your senses.
, but really, as far as I can tell, you are moving goalposts right and left. Not that I expect you will believe me, ::shrug:: but still, that is what you are doing.
Shodan, in post #71, Evil Captor lobbed you an obvious falsehood to test your reaction: Agree with it and be wrong, or disagree and be a hypocrite. Or be “wise” and refuse to take the bait, or get whoosed.
You got whooshed.
Shodan
The main point of contention in this thread, the question we on the left are asking, is ‘Why didn’t the Religious Right raise hell over the Gannon issue?’ Now, we already know, as a matter of verifiable objective fact, that a significant proportion of the Religious Right are homophobes. The movement as a whole has a long track record of blatent, unashamed homophobia. Whether the Religious Right as a group are homophobes or not is not at issue. We know that they are, at least for the most part.
We also know that the Bush Administration, as a sop to the Radical Religioous contingent of their voting base, has tried to pass such homophobic measures as removing equal protection laws for gays and passing anti-gay marriage amendments into the constitution. This is not to say that the Bush Administration are homophobic. As individuals they may very well not be. However, we do know, based upon the measures they’ve attempted to pass, that they have a vested interest in courting the loyalties of the homophobic Radical Religious Right. To the exent that the Radical Religious Right have political representation, the Republicans are their party.
Thus, when it was revealed that the Whitehouse had knowingly given God knows how many one day press passes to a man who was not only completely unqualified to possess them (being, as he was, the employee of a phoney web based GOP propaganda outlet masquerading as a news organization), but who also used to moonlight as a gay prostitute, one could be forgiven for presuming that the biggest outcry would come from the Radical Religious Right.
That they have remained conspicuously silent on this issue indicates that they are willing to suppress their homophobia when it benefits “their” party. Thus, they are hypocrites.
One does not have to be a homophobe to point this out and your allegations that Evil Captor’s arguments are based on homophobia is a disingenuous strawman, IMO.
Perhaps Mr. Gannon’s efforts to connect to gay men through advertising was an attempt to persuade and cajole them to the path or righteousness? Sort of a outreacharound?
No, but one has to be a hypocrite to condemn a gay person for being gay if that person disagrees with you politically.
Notice that the focus of Evil Captor’s OP was to condemn Gannon for his sexuality. He stated, quite explicitly, that this was the core issue. And yet, he would like to pretend that condemnations of sexuality are homophobia, and thus morally wrong. Except when he does it. He mentioned also that he insults gays if and only if they are Republican. Which is, as I said, hypocritical.
You would like to condemn attacks on gay people for their gayness as “homophobia”. Fine with me, as I have already pointed out that EC’s attacks on Gannon are therefore within that definition. If you want to define his position as expressed in the OP as “selective homophobia”, that would probably be more accurate.
Now I am sure you know as well as I do that the whole point of the exercise was to try to get someone on the Right to join in the condemnation of Gannon as a gay man. If he were able to accomplish this, he could then instantly switch to attacks on those who agreed with his OP as evil, homophobic, blah blah. That’s where the hypocrisy comes in. It didn’t happen, since members of the Right are not entirely the mindless idiots he has convinced himself they are, which is why he was reduced to the more-than-stupid extreme of making up positions and attempting to assign them to me. Ludicrous, and contemptibly dishonest, but hey, he was desperate. It was clear his OP wasn’t going anywhere, and it was probably the best he could come up with.
Regards,
Shodan
There are people who do condemn conservatives for being homosexual. You have repeatedly failed to show that this is one of those cases. I believe this is an intentional hijack to avoid admitting that some of the people you are in bed with are both more homophobic and hypocritical than you are comfortable with.
C’mon, Shodan, this is just sad. Your whole argument is based on a transparently deliberate misleading of my OP. That dog just won’t hunt here.
I didn’t have to show that; it was stated by the OP.
And I believe just the opposite - that you are disregarding the fairly explicit confessions of the OP for exactly the same reasons you assign to me, except that they are combined - that is, the OP is both hypocritical and homophobic.
Regards,
Shodan
I have every confidence that, had you thought for a moment longer, you would have worded this differently.
How does this show that the OP is biased against gays? In fact in the line after that he makes clear he does not do so due to their sexuality.
I don’t see how this even remotely shows bias against homosexuals or even hypocrisy. To repeat again: this is what the OP was about. Or are you claiming that the mere mention of homosexuality is enough to make one biased against it?
There’s really no point in arguing with Shodan on this point. He has decided this is the rhetorical tack he will take, and is too invested in it to withdraw gracefully. Selective quoting and deliberate misunderstanding of this sort would work on a lot of other messageboards, and in the media it would work beautifully. But it doesn’t work here.
I would expect that calling someone names based on his sexuality, which is what EC is doing, is “homophobia” by your definition. The hypocrisy comes in from doing it selectively, which is also what EC is doing.
As I said, he is trying to trigger a reaction so he can condemn people for going along with the OP.
Regards,
Shodan
http://www.alternet.org/sex/140933/rating_the_greatest_gop_sex_scandals_of_the_past_20_years/?page=1
It is because in the pantheon of repub sex scandals, it is a minor one.
Yes ,sex scandals for the repubs are worse than those for the dems,because the repubs proclaim their religious connections loudly. That adds nth degree hypocrisy to the equation.
If Ganon was a dem plant ,Fox Gnus would have ran stories on it 24 hours a day.
I’m closing this thread. The discussion is almost five years old and this link doesn’t add anything new to it. If you want to start a conversation about sex scandals, gonzomax, please open a new thread and link to this one.