Why the fuck don't you listen? ("Good Samaritans" who force help on me)

I think the issue is that there is the slightest hint of “don’t treat me like a 95-year old woman in a wheelchair. I deserve respect! (unlike those pathetic grannies)” in there. It’s very, very slight, but I noticed it to, and I admit that it bothered me. It comes across like one of the motivations for Ambivalid’s dedication to fitness is his contempt for the weak. That may well be something that we are reading into what he has said, but he might want to know that he created that impression in several people.

But none of that undermines the excellent substance of the complaint. To go back to the microagression thing, there seems to be an unstated idea out there that a single inaccurate uncharitable thought towards a priviledged person is a worse injustice than having to absorb a thousand insults and intrusions.

95 year old women in wheelchairs also deserve respect. They also have very different limitations and needs.

Sure, the body-building and working out are at least in part compensations. So what? I don’t see it as an unhealthy response to a debilitating injury. The worst thing for a person in a wheelchair is to stop doing physical stuff. It’s leads to all sorts of problems and a shortened life span.

I don’t find it puzzling that a relatively young man in a wheelchair does not want to be seen the same as an elderly woman in a wheelchair and it isn’t contempt. I don’t want to be treated as a 95 year old woman, either! In a wheelchair or not! I don’t want to be treated like a 20 year old woman, either. I wanted to be treated as the person I am. So does everyone else.

What, you don’t have an antidote of the time you were in a wheelchair and you were treated like shit? Quick, make one up.

Ah, the attack crowd comes out.

Contrary to your accusations I do not “make shit up”. Plenty of other people have made shit up about me, but that’s the method the bullies employ. Exaggerate, distort, and outright lie.

As I have never needed a wheelchair I have no such anecdotes. I’m actually happy with that set of circumstances. Unlike some other people, though, I make an effort to empathize with others and attempt to see the world from their perspective.

And some people apparently like to follow other people around the SDMB and make assumptions about them. Like, B tells lies and A has a rage issue. What an easy way to arrive at positions; no reading skills needed. Also, apparently, no one ever changes. Positions you may have held once for five minutes are yours for life.

Thank you! Exactly.

If you’ve paid attention to the thread, I make it clear that I do not expect anyone to make any sort of distinction between me and any other disabled person. Period. I have the utmost respect and empathy for elderly women, my point wasn’t to denigrate them at all. It was to make the point that it doesn’t matter who is in the wheelchair. It could be a young, buff bodybuilder or it could be an elderly woman. To many in the public, we’re one and the same. I can’t change how one sees me, but, regardless of how they see me, they should still respect me just the same. Ditto for the elderly woman in the chair. Everyone deserves to be respected.

Two people who are doing something that I am willing and offered to help with, and they stated they wanted no help, and would rather do it for themselves…
I am still not making the distinction

You rival Trump in fibs told per day.

The thing is, though, you ARE treating both those guys with respect. You offer help, but when they say “thanks, but no thanks” you respect that and don’t impose help.

Sure, it can be hard to watch someone struggle, but sometimes it’s more important for them to struggle and try to work the problem than to succeed easily. If the last thing you can do for yourself is open a door for yourself, even if it’s hard, it might be hard to give up that victory for the day.

You aren’t the problem.

And all your neighbors/coworkers out of ear shot can watch you not even bother to take 5 seconds to help someone struggling with a door.

That why so many people are uncomfortable around and avoid the disabled like lepers. The chances of a no-win situation are very high.

Along with teaching people to respect “no”, I think we should also teach people to not care so much “what neighbors/coworkers out of ear shot” think about us. When you’re doing stuff just because you’re afraid of what onlookers will think about you, then you’ve become a sheeple. We should resist this tendency, not embrace or excuse it.

Ambivalid, to be fair, I have noticed the same thing that Manda Jo noticed. There IS a suggestion in your postings that people shouldn’t assume you’re helpless, but for other wheelchair users, it’s okay to make that assumption. I appreciate that’s not what you’re intending to communicate or what you consciously believe, but it is a sentiment that does come across in some of what you’ve written here.

I won’t quote it due to length, but that was an amazing post, Broomstick.

I garbled my communication then. While I personally make not like the fact that so many people see any wheelchair user as helpless, I understand that I can’t control people’s perceptions. I am at peace with the fact that people make no distinction between me and more disabled wheelchair users. It may have been somewhat sidetracked but my original and only point I was trying to make in this thread was that once I make my feelings known, regardless of how “helpless” I may appear to someone, I should be respected.

Another point I haven’t brought up yet is what an onlooker may perceive as “struggling” may in fact just be a different way of performing a task. My body is different than able-bodied people. My center of gravity is different as well the angle from which I perform a task. So to the casual eye, even though I can open a door as proficiently as most able-bodied people, I look different doing it. Some might see that as “struggling” even though I’m certainly not.

If I did inadvertently come off like I was saying it’s ok to see other chair users as helpless but not me, it was my effort to say that each individual wheelchair user (or disabled person in general)* should* be evaluated individually. I know this is only a pipe dream however, and I don’t think it’s how the world works.

I’m not Leaffan (who has already responded anyway), but possibly a good response would be:

That ought to cover all the bases.

Except the quasi-B&E in your car. That one was destined to be unpleasant from the start.

BTW, how did the situation with that creepy neighbor work out? Did he back off or make your life so miserable that you had no choice but to move and change your name to Spice Weasel?

Yep.

You can’t evaluate everyone individually immediately. And sadly, it often takes a long, long fucking time.

I’ll hold a door open for someone in a wheelchair, or a Pittsburg Steeler.

While the situations you have described are over the top. Don’t always assume someone is just trying to put a feather in their cap by helping.

My Mom is in a wheelchair, I know a bit about them. I had a good friend in high school that was in an electric scooter. Both my best friend and I had pick-up trucks and could help out. He went on ‘senior skip day’ with us to the mountains. Glad he could come.

I’m tall, and am always getting things off the top shelf. It’s a natural thing to do.

As I said, the situations you brought up are over the top, but try not to get pissed off at people for offering help.

Again, I don’t get pissed at people trying to help. I get pissed at people refusing to listen to my answer.

For the eleventy-billionth time, he’s not pissed off because of the “offering”. He’s pissed off because people ignore him when he says “no thanks”.

ETA: Ninja’d!!