That was the best post I have ever read.
The analogy of farting and peeing on the shoes to the smoke…brilliant.
You are a smart man.I like you very much.
Tell your girlfriend I think she is lucky to have you.
I have no desire to quit smoking really…pressures put on by non-smokers are forcing us in to the basement (so are my children), but I truly enjoy smoking…
Let me relay a story to you…
I smoked during both of my pregancies and a woman I worked with probably weighed in at 350+ and she was also pregnant. Each day I was chastized for smoking and the harmful effects it would have on my children.
She delivered 6 months prior to me and her son was hospitalized for resparatory problems. My children were born with absolutely nothing wrong. Now go figure…
I wasnt going to respond…but here goes…
Are you saying that because her kid is sick this somehow validates your smoking?
are all the experts wrong?
Smoking really doesnt contribute to low birth weight, sids, assorted health problems…etc…?
Smoking does not introduce toxins into the fetal environment?
It sound like you dont smoke around the kids now…thank you.
I dont think a woman as big as the one you describe has any business getting pregnant until she gets healthy, but neither do drug addicts, alcholics, nor you my dear.
Your kids may be all right NOW, but your selfish use of your precious cigarettes may hurt them later, or even their kids.
Its not the tobacco, its the arsenic, tar etc that are in these things.
In canada, they put warning labels on cigs. (I dont know if they do it in the states.)
some of the labels say:
smoking can kill you
smoking can cause low birth weight
smoking can harm your children
etc…
and the cigarette companies put these on,-
HEY- they should talk to you, you must have magic powers that can protect unborn babies from smoking…just think of all the good you can do!
Kellibelli, garsh, lady, ya make me blush!
I’ve enjoyed your posts, too. I thought you made some very cogent points to Jen.
I think my girlfriend is very luck, too.(Blushes). Unfortunately, for a a number of reasons which don’t bear going into under this thread, our relationship at the moment is entirely platonic, despite the fact that we’ve known each other about 10 years.
Now – try reading my posts under the ‘S.E.T.H’ thread on Great Debates; you’ll probably hate me by the end . . .
But thanks for the good words,anyway. See ya round the board!
only read the first couple of pages, then my glass eye dried out, but what you wrote only leads me to an even higher opinion of you, and I would bet the platonic status has to do with the child, and that makes me think even higher of you…your mom must be very proud.
(before anyone gets nasty, I am not ‘flirting’, I am offering the encouragement and approval that I feel he has earned in a hard and thankless world which all too often fails to recognise the ‘good guy’ )
kudos to you my new friend.
sorry for a terrible paraphrase…
I would like to state that I don’t smoke. Having a Father that died on Christmas Day of lung cancer when you are nine has a way of taking out the joys of nicotine. Besides, I’m way to too frugal. Buying all those packs would cut into my book habit, of which there is no patch.
no, thank you DIF.
kelli and jen, dont forget that it is in most ways the nicotine that harms the kid.
you know, born an addict to it. everyone i know who had parent who smoked have started smoking later in life, and each and every one of them had the same story, “right from the first cig, i was hooked”. and so it continues.
DIF: good for your sister.
If someone smokes where I am, they are pretty much vomiting on my food. Now if I see someone vomiting into the kitchen sink, I can take my plate of food away from there. But it’s pretty nasty of them to come right up to me, look me in the eye, and barf on my food. Ok?
well put…very well put.
As I said to my ex-husband, (when he was still my husband)“Dont smoke that at the table, even a dog wont shit where it eats!”
Funny why things didnt work out.
Oh, give me a break. Someone who smokes at the table next to you(presumably in the smoking section) is as represensible as someone who purposely pukes in your food? Please.
katmandu: in the smoking section? i wouldnt eat at a restaurant with a smoking section thank you very much. and yes he would be!
do you know what ATF is? its U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), and just look at what they are doing with firearms in the states. wonder whats next?
i wouldnt mix alcohol with firearms. some insist on the other hand that they have to smoke when they drink. some might even want to smoke after shooting someone, just to make sure he is dead you know.
this is made to provoke an attack. please reply.
Kellibelli…no her childs illness does not validate my smoking…it just demonstrates the fact that if anyone can be sick or die from something and that smoking is not the root of all evil. I completely agree that it is dangerous, gross, etc, etc…but you cannot blame all of the worlds trouble on it. I have known people who have died of lung cancer and never smoked a day in their lives…people who have high cholesteral, who don’t eat much fat…it’s in the genes!!
Hell…a jogger who has never smoked, does not eat fat and who takes excellent care of themselves could be run down by a bus…busses are harmful to our health too.
And by the way, I am a courtious smoker as I do not wish to inflict my smoke on others.
you are obviously an intelligent woman, and I admire your courteousness.
I am sure I must come off like a real zealot, but I am not really,
Lately, cancer is all I think about…and it is impossible not to let it out.
The world contains many vices, smoking is only one of them, I know I cant save the world, I just want to spare anyone the pain the cancer is causing my family…sorry if I sound like a facist.
well I have one quick thing to write about this topic. Its my choice if I wanna smoke. therefore I must take any consequences that come along with it. I do not need anyone telling me I shouldnt do it. Its my body and I will do as I please with it. when the time comes and I decide I want to quit I will until then I will continue to light up and continue to enjoy the way it tastes to me. everyone has their own opinions on things they like and dont like. you people might smoke dope. I dont. I dont like it. But I wpouldnt sit here and preach to you about doing it.
yes, exacly…thats about as complicated as it gets. one of the consequences is: do not smoke near me!
bj0rn
Also, Heatherlee, is it REALLY your choice? What I’ve been hearing from a lot of smokers on this thread is that they started when they were too young and stupid to know any better, and are now hopelessly addicted. The majority of smokers would quit if they could, but don’t have the strength to do so.
. . . No offense meant, Ike (oop, I think he’s off on vacation, maybe he’ll overlook this).
What the HELL is wrong with you people?!?
This is how it goes: For all you Bocephus fans out there
“Hank, why do you alllll drink? TO GET DRUNK.
Why do you alllll smoke? TO GET STONED.
And why must you liiivvvve out the songs that you wrote? TO GET LAID.”
And that’s how it goes.
I am an everyday smoker, NOT a Midnight Toker!! 
I am not weird, I’m just normle challenged.
Just my 2 cents- I smoked from age 14 to 21 (Had to quit when I had back surgery)…I still light up on occasion, as I don’t seem to be addicted. (I can have an occasional smoke and not want more…like candy)
My husband, who is a recovered drug addict (turned his life completely around after being a junkie) said it was much easier to quit coke and HEROIN then to quit smoking. He has tried and tried, so far no success. So think about that…He had the ability to stop doing HIGHLY addictive illegal drugs, but cannot stay off tabacco…what the hell is in that stuff??
An optimist sees an opportunity in every calamity; A pessimist sees a calamity in every opportunity.
Two things:
The lady of the house, light of my life, reason for being, girl who is currently putting up with me, smokes a pack a day. I don’t. Been around it all my life, love the smell of fresh tobacco & coffee, don’t touch the stuff. Reminds me of playing cards by the fireplace on a winter day.
She has a will of steel, but she has given it three real good tries in a row with patch & gum, and can’t kick it. Sez the biggest problem for her is that her smokes are the only time when she can take a few minutes away from the crazy job and enjoy the sunshine.
It’s called meditation, try it you might like it. Use in small doses. We are currently trying to find other ways that she can get the same break without the nicotene. I thought I had a good idea, but she says I’m just horny…
The other thing, I fell in with some rough company some years back and was briefly addicted to crack. Talk about a hook straight to the hindbrain. Wham! Blew some days, money, and brain cells I’d like to have back, but walked away when I opened my eyes real late one hazy night and realized I had my hand on the gate to hell. Worst I’ve ever been scared in my life.
Some people can, some people can’t. The bright boys are working on it, the best information right now is that it’s genetic. Me, I just have a good suffer. After awhile it stops hurting. I kinda like it, in a sick twisted sorta way.
I smoked for about 25 years, while trying to hide it from my family, because everybody made fun of my grandfather for smoking (whie he tried to hide it).
I started for pretty much the same reasons as anyone, I was 18 years old and in college, convinced that it helped me clear my mind, and that I could quit any time I wanted to. I have tried several times before, but what finally finished me was the fact that my daughter took up smoking, and as long as I was smoking, I had no right to comment on what she was doing.
I believed this too. When I quit, I realized how awful I smelled, particularly soon after smoking a cigarette. It makes you feel pretty stupid to realize that everybody knew you were smoking when you thought you had it hidden.
Even when I was smoking, I didn’t much care for someone else’s smoke, but now it’s even worse, almost to the point of making me ill. I welcome this though, as it helps to keep me from smoking.
It is probably not productive to try to irritate the people you care about until they quit smoking, but I do think that it is important to make sure that they know that you find it unacceptable. (My daughter was quit and started again when a boy dumped her, so she’s still smoking in spite of the mean things her Dad says).
I don’t care to be around smokers any more, but I do understand them. kellibelli and bjorn have understandable attitudes, but I think that they may be counterproductive, especially for people close to them.
Nicotrol and a week off of work helped me quit (I didn’t smoke at home for quite a long time).
DIF said:
This was somewhat similar to what i tried, but it didn’t work for me, I had to quit. It’s been 8 months now, and still sometimes I find myself reaching for my pocket to get a cigarette. I still have my last one, in my jacket pocket, if it hasn’t fallen apart yet!!
To all of you that still smoke, don’t quit quitting, any time not spent smoking is worth it, and sooner or later you will make it work, one way or the other
Eight months, three days, 10 hours, 58 minutes and 30 seconds. 8625 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,164.31. Life saved: 4 weeks, 1 day, 22 hours, 45 minutes.