Yeah, it sort of feels like vapers think they’ve found some sort of loophole in the rules; “it’s not really a cigarette, so it’s healthy and smells good and everyone should love them!”
A lot of what they said. Large or flashy vape units and *scented *fluids are of course disruptive, people should really reserve those for after work (had one coworker with maple syrup scented vapes that made the joint smell like a bad day at the House of Pancakes). The “hey, it’s not smoking, look at me do it” vibe does bring about a certain element of “I’m not touching you, I’m not touching you” to some people’s minds. Why should you find a workaround while the drinkers have to wait until after leaving work and the regular smokers have to go out on the back loading platform. And of course it has become closely associated with hipsterism.
But yes, from the other side there IS a certain puritannical element about it, dagblast it they want you to stop inhaling nicotine, full stop end of sentence.
I don’t oppose vaping as a personal conduct but neither do I see a social benefit in going back to an environment of just having people sitting around the conference table sucking on nicotine delivery systems. I certainly want no sales to minors and an excise tax on anything with nicotine content (BUT I’d want it lower than tobacco, because still it IS an improvement). And as mentioned earlier I also can’t help but worry about the QC on those Chinese-made fluids.
And like Prichester I would not put it past Big Tobacco to be also interested in making this product unprofitable (I take it the nicotine fluid is not made from Virginia leaf). Just because they’re the kind of people who were not stopped before by their product being harmful.
Why in the world would “Big Tobacco” want to make vaping unprofitable? Not only does it keep smokers hooked on nicotine, it gets new kids hooked on candied smoke every fucking day.
But what incentive is there for vapers to go to tobacco?
Big Tobacco’ll want it profitable so they can buy vaping industry out and then they survive.
Also, once you’re hooked on nicotine, you’ll settle for cigs(or go back to them) when vaping isn’t available.
Yes, that’s why my comment about Virginia leaf – what is the source for the nicotine in the liquid? Of course if BT ***were ***entering the vape business, then that line of inquiry would fall… unless **IvoryTowerDenizen **is right and they’d rather just do a takeover and are merley driving down how much it will cost them to do so.
I think I’m conditioned to see smokers as selfish polluters, and someone blowing a huge vape cloud indoors just pushes those same psychological buttons for me. Is that stuff really harmless? Is it really odorless? Can I have some say in whether I want to breathe the stuff?
There’s also some judgment as well. Here’s someone who, rather than trying to kick an unhealthy habit, has invested $$$ in a delivery system for a drug that carries much of the harm of cigarettes. Something there just screams ‘bad choices’. (Yes, I see the irony in me making this statement).
Plus I’m a former smoker and we can be insufferable on the topic.
Implicit in a lot of these discussions is that nicotine is bad (possibly even immoral), and that while vaping may be a net health improvement, it doesn’t improve the underlying problem of nicotine addiction.
I question this. The actual science says that nicotine isn’t a particularly harmful drug, and may be on par with caffeine. So why are vapers demonized far more than coffee drinkers?
To play a bit of devil’s advocate:
Why should nicotine-containing products not be sold to minors when caffeinated ones are?
How is vaping not going to be available? Certain monopolistic infrastructure excepted, you can’t buy out an entire industry and shut it down; someone else will just open it up again.
If somehow our outward breath were made visible, we would be completely grossed out by having to breathe in what others in the same room have just breathed out. I suspect vaping pushes this button; it makes it obvious that we are breathing in other people’s breath.
You’re out of vaping fluid and/or the batteries are dead…thank Og cigs are still available, right? The main thing is to keep people hooked on nicotine, and bring more people into the fold, and vaping is working beautifully on both fronts.
‘cause y’all look like your suckin’ on a robot dick.
Yeah. I vape (ugh that word). For me, it’s like methadone to a junkie. There’s nothing cool about it whatsoever, and getting started on the habit really drove home what a pathetic nicotine addict I really am. I detest the lifestyle vapers and the gearheads, and the oblivious dorks who proudly puff away in inappropriate venues.
It’s the opposite of a hipster habit. The real hipsters, cool kids, whatever, are still pounding their American Spirits. God, I want a fucking American Spirit right now.
I really don’t think a business model of “we may still sell some ciggies when nicotine addicts get caught short” is going to excite big business. “Getting onto social media and mocking vapers at every opportunity so it remains uncool compared to smoking” sounds more viable.
I have yet to see an actual vaper “in the wild”. So I’m not sure I could have an opinion on it one way or another.
Mind you, it’s been dunnowmany years since I remember seeing someone actually smoking in public either … clearly don’t hang with the cool kids…
I think they are quite happy with a supposed method to quit smoking that, in reality, keeps people hooked.
A lot of people hate anything new.
That depends. A lot of the people I work with vape and some, like some pipes or cigars, does carry a specific odor. Enough so that I hear them asking each other “Is that a new liquid you have? What kind is it?” There are some even I can catch specific scents from and I’m fairly bad at picking up different smells.
Because a caffeine addict asks you if you’d like a cup of tea/coffee. They don’t turn it into an aerosol so that you can’t not breath it in.