You’ve never heard of a non-compete clause in a contract?
I assure you that tobacco company lawyers have.
Back in the day I used to spray Black Leaf 40 on plants to kill a variety of insect pests. According to a Cornell data sheet it contained 95% nicotine alkaloid and 40% nicotine sulfate. Very effective and environmentally friendly (broke down rapidly once applied).
But those persnickety federal regulators forced it off the market in the early '90s. Something about toxicity (I do remember being impressed by the label warning that inhalation or getting it on your skin could be fatal). It also appears that some smokers were misusing it to get an extra nicotine kick.
Maybe the product is still made in China or someplace and could be imported to juice up the output of vaping machines.
No, the agenda has moved from stopping cigarette smoking to stopping all tobacco use to stopping all nicotine use to raising money through government grants to maintain their high-paying jobs through any means they can imagine … ethics are cast aside and the spread of misinformation will cause many people to die of cigarette related illnesses in the coming years.
You personally have been duped and are being used as their willing pawn.
And I don’t think anybody here has said the FDA banned ecigs.
I used to work next to a guy who would vape at his desk and I never noticed an odor.
Maybe we should call vaping “nicodone” or “vapodone”.
I’m surprised that they weren’t instead forced to add a poisonous component that wasn’t useful as a drug. Pure ethanol is a great solvent, but you can’t buy it in the hardware store. You can only buy it with methanol mixed in, the only purpose of which is to poison anyone that wants to avoid liquor taxes. Perhaps there was nothing similar that could be added in this case.
To be clear, I’m not claiming that nicotine isn’t toxic. I’m claiming that it’s a bogus argument because everything is toxic in the right dose. Nicotine is a fairly benign drug when used at theraputic levels. Chugging a few bottles of vape juice is bad and may kill you, but so is downing 8 liters of water in a sitting.
Nicotine does a lot of other things besides kill you immediately. It appears to cause damage to the heart and constricts the blood vessels. Someone with heart disease or hypertension should be really angry about being forced to inhale a vaper’s fumes because there is a really good chance it is damaging their body. There are also other toxic chemicals in the fumes and I don’t want to inhale it. I don’t think it’s been studied enough for anyone to be sure if it’s safe or not to stand near a vaper.
There’s also very little evidence that vaping helps nicotine addicts stop smoking. It’s just a way for them to make excuses and put off stopping. It also may be encouraging many people who would never even consider smoking to try it and become a nicotine addict.
I felt the same way, but after reviewing the latest info my mind is changed.
I am thoroughly on board with all these judgmental statements.
Uh-huh. Just like all the research “misinformation” that eventually hammered home the message that smoking kills.
I’m reminded of denialists arguing that climate change researchers are just in it for the money and prestige. :dubious:
More like a knight - better moves.
To be fair, I misspoke. I meant to say that vapor does not contain the carcinogenic chemicals that cigarette smoke does. And that’s what’s bad for you, not the nicotine. Nicotine certainly isn’t healthy, but it’s not what gives you emphysema or cancer. As a drug its on a scale closer to things like caffeine.
And I don’t want to turn this into a GD but secondhand smoke is nonsense. Flat out bullshit. Simple physics (and common sense) tells you that the amount of harmful smoke inhaled directly by smokers is literally millions of times greater than what you can inhale from secondhand smoke. And cigarette smoke does not contain plutonium*!* It takes more than a few molecules of it in your lungs to give you cancer. Even being a smoker and breathing it in directly it still takes decades of constant use to cause serious long term health problems. No one in the entire history of time has ever been given a serious illness from secondhand smoke.
Secondhand smoke is simply two things: An odor (albeit an unpleasant one), but mostly it is the self-righteous wrath and mindless mantra of pretentious, self-important anti-smokers. IMO if you believe in that you might as well say you believe that the Sun goes around the Earth…
Vaping is not smoking. All of the people that I know who vape do not smoke anymore.
No problemo, I’ll tell BT to fuck off. They’ll buy out (and shut down) all of my weak-willed vape-supply competitors, and when I’m the only vape-supply manufacturer/vendor left, my business will grow like a weed.
Businesses sometimes buy competing businesses (and get the competing founder to sign a non-compete agreement), but has any business ever bought out another entire industry?
Before I get all incredulous and ask just WHAT you’re smoking, do you mean secondhand vapor?
The problem is that a segment of vape-defenders ‘misspeak’ a lot on this topic, the claim that vapor doesn’t contain nicotine is one that is made repeatedly and vehemently defended. Suddenly hiding behind ‘oh, I misspoke’ when called out on repeating an untrue statement that is routinely made is a bit suspect, especially since I never hear vape-defenders call each other out on it. And the fact that you jump from ‘there’s no nicotine’ to ‘well, nicotine isn’t actually the problem’ when called out on the bogus claim adds to the suspicion.
Like I said, this behavior is one of the reasons for vape-hate.
Yeah, you’re really not helping your cause by repeating big tobacco propaganda as fact. Second-hand smoke is well-documented as being dangerous, and you don’t seem to know how big ‘millions’ is, because common sense tells me that if you’re in a room with a smoker, you may only be getting a few percent as much smoke exposure as they are, but you’re not getting the 0.0001% or less for ‘millions’ to be accurate.
Seriously, you’re arguing that being in a room with active smokers only exposes you to as much smoke as if you you took a one foot cube of smoke at ‘taking a drag’ concentration and spread it through a warehouse ten feet high, one thousand feet long, and one hundred feet wide. Or took then same smoke and spread it though one hundred two bedroom apartments (assuming 1000 sq ft, 10’ ceiling). And that’s just for one of the millions, multiply the number of warehouses or rooms by the number of millions to actually fit the plural. Does that concentration really fit common sense, or did you just ‘misspeak’ again?
I’m trying to remember whether I’ve ever seen anyone vaping, and I don’t think I have, even though there’s a vape retail store just a few blocks from home.
Nevertheless, as an ex-smoker, I hate the very idea of vaping. It is irrational, I know.
I have no excuse, simply blind prejudice.
Saw one guy, once on a snorkel boat in Mexico. That’s it. Don’t think it was nicotine though.
I smoke cigars a little bit. But only at home outside, or on vacation. Never near anyone else, always outside.
I do vap now too. Again, never near anyone else/in public. Trying to give up the cigars.
I don’t like clouds of anything being exhaled into my breathing space, even if it’s pure water vapor (which it isn’t.)
Several years ago "the FDA went outside their authority and passed a rule banning ecigs as “unauthorized medical devices”.
It took a while, and a great deal of legal expense, but the ruling was eventually overturned. Many shipments were seized by Customs before it was overturned.
Most of the arguments being repeated here, like vaping is a gateway to smoking (for children) and vaping is not effective for stopping smoking are disputed in the report by the British National Health Service … which, by the way, provides ecigs to smokers to help them quit smoking or smoke less.
PDF:
Ecigarettes: an evidence update
A report commissioned by Public Health England
Disclaimer: I have never been tested by an allergist.
However, I am pretty sure I am allergic to tobacco. I am allergic to a number of plants, and tobacco is a plant, so it would make sense.
Anyway, second-hand smoke chokes me. But more than that, just being in a room where people smoke frequently, with lots of filled ashtrays, bothers me, even if no one is actively smoking. I was working on a problem with a neighbors computer in a room with a lot of smoke residue, and by the end of the hour it took, I had a raised red rash on my arms, my nose was running, and my eyes were red and puffy.
Now, that’s probably a rare reaction, but smoking does get to non-smokers. It’s well-documented that children of smokers have are more likely to have asthma, and to have more attacks when they do. I know someone who on the recommendation of her daughter’s pediatrician, began smoking outside only, and her daughter went from having asthma attacks two or three times a week to about once a month. She was so moved by this that she just quit, and is trying to get her husband to quit. He switched to vaping.
I’m not fond of the smell of a lot of scented vapors, and I don’t like the idea of inhaling someone else’s nicotine, but I’d by far rather see people vaping than smoking.
It’s not just a bad odor. That’s a complete bunch of bullshit and you now it. The by products of a cigarette also include soot. It makes my eyes water and it makes my cough and it makes me unable to breathe worse than just a bad smell. Look in a mirror when you talk about mindless sometime and pleas stop misspeaking.
Do you have a cite for these highly dubious claims?
It took years for the F.D.A. to even take action on banning e-cig sales to minors.