Why won't my roommate go away?

Okay. I was extremely apprehensive about getting a roommate to start with, but I did because of finances.

I knew within a week that there would be a problem. Boy, who knew it would be that bad? The first lesson I learned is, always follow up on references, and speak to the old roommate. Even if they have been made to sound like a monster, talk with them and find out something about your roommate’s living habits. My roommate turned out to be a pig who would use my stuff, forget to give it back, and when I finally asked for it back, would return it dirty or moldy.

Next lesson: don’t automatically assume that everything someone tells you is the truth when you haven’t checked their references. I ended up getting involved in a school scandal because I allowed myself to be concerned about her and a chef that she said “took advantage of her.” Well, he didn’t take advantage of her, she knew what she was doing and was manipulating to get a better grade. She just told me a different story so that I would feel sorry for her. She just didn’t realize that I’m the take action sort of person. Completely my fault, I shouldn’t have interfered. Me and my righteous anger. Ugh.

Third lesson: always draw up a contract with a person, even if you are the only one on the lease. Get first and last month’s rent as well as a depost. Also, make sure that it is specified that they give you 30 days moving notice or the deposit is forfeit. EVEN IF THE PERSON SEEMS NICE! I was trying to be the nice girl, because she is a student, too and I know she is having a hard time. Well, not that hard because daddy sends her a check each month if she needs it. But, I didn’t know this at the time. Anyway, one week before rent is due, she tells me she is leaving on the 16th. She also tells me to take the rent out of her deposit. Which means that I’m pretty much screwed for rent. I tell her, no, you only gave me one week notice and I need a check for the time you are here. You will get your deposit when you leave. She was peeved at this, but wrote me a check. Boy, am I glad I insisted on this. One of the smarter things that I did during her stay. A few days before she was supposed to move out, she said that she would need to stay two extra days while the carpeting was being put in. They couldn’t put it in while it was raining. I could understand this, but I only wanted her here the two extra days. No more. All the nasty snipes behind my back, all the times I finally broke down and cleaned up the kitchen after her mess because the smell got to me and it was drawing flies, the threats of violence that she made to her friends (that I found out from her friends), no more. OUT!

Now, it’s Tuesday. And she hasn’t started packing yet. Yesterday, I made the comment, “You’re going to have a hard time getting all this moved in one day, aren’t you?” And she replied, “That’s how I did it when I moved here.” Okay… If that’s how she wants to play it. The thing is, I have a neighbor, a very benevolent neighbor, who, knowing my predicament, said to me, “I tell you what. The landlady is having my apartment recarpeted. I was going to get a storage space to put all my furniture, but if you would give me the room for my furniture, I’ll pay the remainder of your rent.” It works out great, because he feels safer doing it that way, plus his stuff is just a few doors down from him. It makes it a bit easier, and he’s doing someone a huge favor in the process. But now, he’s been waiting since Sunday to start moving his stuff over. He took it well, but remember, he’s the one doing me the favor here!

I come home today from errands, she’s back from school…sleeping! I say, “What are you doing? You’re supposed to be out of here today!” And she wakes up long enough to say, “The carpet’s not in yet.” And puts her head back down. I say, “That’s not my problem. Look, you told me one week before rent was due that you were moving out. You screwed me over, and I had to scramble to figure things out. Now, I have plans for tomorrow and I need you out today!” Just then, her phone rings, so I close the door. She’s on the phone for a while, and now, I can hear her “crying” in the bedroom. She’s done this to me before. I got yelled at because she left her laundry strewn all over the laundry room for three days, and I’m the one on the lease. I said to her, “What were you thinking! This isn’t your private laundry area. It’s a nice area! You can’t just throw crap all over the place and leave it there for three days! My landlady is on the phone yelling at me now because of it!” So, she goes into her bedroom, cries for a while, loud enough for me to here her, and then goes and cleans up her mess. Just so you know, it’s a nice laundry room. There’s a table and chairs, a counter filled with magazines, and two book shelves filled with books. There’s a folding area and a place to hang your clothes. There is also a bathroom with a shower, because the laundry room is by the pool. She left some of her clothes strewn on the table, the counter and soaking in the shower stall.

Anyway, I’m tired of feeling bad for having to play the grown up. She’s 28, not 18! She has taken advantage of me, lied to me, made my landlady extremely irate, and refuses to take responsibility for her actions. And I’m the one getting screwed! And now, she won’t go away. And I’m supposed to feel bad about this? AGH!

This isn’t even everything she’s done, but this rant has gone on long enough.

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Jesus, Heloise…my heart goes out to you. I’d have thrown her shit out in the front yard (or street…whichever was dirtier) and told her to hit the road.

Yeah, yeah…I know that’s not legal, but that’s what I’d do anyway. She told you she was leaving, and by God…I’d see to it she did.

I’m sorry you’re having to go through all this crap, however. Some people just ain’t worth hangin’…but she does sound like rope would be a nice accessory, the bitch.

She’s not on the lease, you say?

Get a couple of friends, haul all her stuff out to the curb, and tell her she is now moved out. Where she goes from the curb is her problem.

Don’t forget to have the locks changed.

Morgyn, that’s more or less what Hamish did when evil ex-roommate (a.k.a. he whose name shall not be spoken) stole the money Hamish needed to ransom his cat from the vet, while I was in Spain. And do you know, it worked…

I just advised Heloise over the phone to give the roommate until 10 PM tonight (it’s 5 PM in LA now) to move out, and if she doesn’t make that deadline, she loses the remainder of her deposit ($225).

How would you guys rate that solution?

Just asking, since my knowledge in American rental disputes is admittedly limited.

[sub]For those of you not in the know, Heloise is my girlfriend, and there’s few things that make me angier than seeing her angry, knowing how hard it is to GET her angry.[/sub]

:eek: :smiley:

I am with the pack up her shit group. I had an ex girlfriend who was staying with me after we split up untill she could find her own place. Well, she was a rageing bitch for a week and threatened me daily that she was moveing out. Finaly she set a day , but when that day came she left for work like normal and didnt mention anything about moveing. I called up a few friends and we got a ryder truck with the joint credit card accound my ex and I had. We then got a 12 pack and a pizza and procceded to pack all of my ex girlfriends stuff into the truck. She came home a few hours later and the first words out of her mouth were “Wheres my desk?” I sat on the couch while she looked around the apartment and asked if we had been robbed because all of her stuff was gone. Then I asked her is she had seen the truck out front. When she said that she had, I handed her the keys to it and told her that, that was where her stuff was. The look on her face was priceless and the pseudo argument that followed was even better. She asked"Where am I supposed to go now?" My answer, “Start with hell and work your way up.” Amazeingly she found an apartment before the time with the truck was up.

Sounds like a plan to me, Coldfire. I’d be mad as hell, too, if it was my girlfriend…or well, whatever. I bet, however, she’ll still hang around until it suits her, regardless of losing the rent money.

Look at it this way. Rent laws or whatever…what’s she gonna do? SUE?? I don’t think so. She said she was moving. I say, give her a head start. She obviously isn’t long on keeping to her word, or being diligent, so give her her time limit…and then pitch her shit out.

I’ve had friends that did it, and while not totally within the laws, not a damn thing happened to them. The bums picked their crap off the lawn, and headed to the next “friend” who felt sorry for them and took them in.

It was usually only a few days later the same thing took place.

You know, I was about to type that I’m feeling calmer and am about ready to talk with her.

But then, I went into the kitchen and realized. She’s not packing. She just made a mess in the kitchen, left it, and went back to her room to eat!

I can’t talk with her yet, because I’m still not completely in control of what I might say. At least one of us needs to be mature about this, and she’s already shown that it’s not going to be her. DAMMIT! So, she dirties up more of my dishes (mine) that she is probably going to just leave there for me to clean up. And before you think I’m a pushover, I’m not. I’ve talked with her about the kitchen before. I don’t mind clutter elsewhere, but a dirty kitchen drives me crazy! We both have had sanitation in school and kitchen cleanliness is drummed into us from the first until the very end. So, WHY IS SHE STILL A PIG!!!??? Not to mention the fact that she is a pig with someone else’s stuff! She leaves my dishes in her bedroom until they are almost too disgusting to touch!

Darn it. Now I’m going to have to wait until I’m calm enough again to try again. Why hasn’t the heiffer started packing!

It sounds to me like the roomie doesn’t take a hint.

:d&r:

:smiley:

:smiley: That’s priceless.

Does the roommate know she’s gotta leave at 10 PM? Does the roommate know she’s gonna leave at 10 PM whether her shit is boxed up or not?

(by the way, this thread reminded me of all the reasons I’m gonna pay extra to live in a one-person, vacant apartment from now on.)

She’s not kidding there. :slight_smile:

So, is the little bitch gone yet?

No, she’s not gone. She completely ignored me as if I had said nothing at all. So, I gave her a note telling her she had until midnight and then the remainder of her deposit was forfeit. And, that if she wasn’t out by midnight Friday, all her stuff would be removed and the locks changed. She hasn’t said a word to me. It’s surreal, as if, because she doesn’t want it to happen, it’s not happening.

The one thing that I feel bad about this is, she seems to have a cold or something right now. She’s been kind of hacking in her room, so I feel guilty for laying this on her right now. But, if she had at least shown some signs of packing, I don’t think it would have come this far. I don’t know. Maybe it was doomed to be dreadful either way.

I do not know California law, but I would check local law before you either move her stuff out or change the locks, even if she isn’t on the lease.

In New York, doing that could subject you to criminal and civil penalties.

go and buy a puppy, and threaten to release it in her room if she dosent move.
If the threat of a puppy doesn’t work, get a tiger.

Stop calling her your roomate.

Well, you’ve been more than patient, you’ve been more than nice. As of now, you are being used. Kick the bitch to the curb, and don’t think twice about it. Some people have problems facing reality. But it’s her problem!
And don’t fall for that “hacking” sound and feel guilty because she might be sick. Maybe she just figured out crying wasn’t enough anymore. Liars and users deserve no pity.

I would call your landlady and explain the situation. Hell, she might call the cops up and have them come over to throw the noxious houseguest out for you!

A lodger, or roomer, is someone who rents a room in a house that you own and live in. The rules for evicting a lodger are covered by California Civil Code § 1946.5 and Penal Code §§ 602.3 and 837, and apply only if you rent to one lodger. (If you have two or more lodgers, you must use the unlawful detainer procedures described in this book.) In addition, you must have overall control of the dwelling unit and have retained a right of access to areas occupied by the lodger.
If your lodger is a month-to-month tenant and you want to terminate the tenancy, you can serve the lodger with a 30-day notice, as explained in Chapter 3. You may also use a short-cut (not available to landlords serving non-lodger tenants) and send the notice by certified or registered mail, restricted delivery, with a return receipt requested.
A lodger who doesn’t leave at the end of the notice period is guilty of an infraction. Technically, this entitles you to do a citizen’s arrest, which means that you can eject the lodger using reasonable, but not deadly, force. However, we strongly advise against this tactic, and instead suggest calling local law enforcement to handle the situation. Have a copy of your dated termination notice available. Beware that many local police are unaware of procedures for evicting lodgers or may not want to get involved, fearing potential liability for improperly evicting a tenant. The police may insist that you go through the normal unlawful detainer lawsuit process – which will result in a court order authorizing the police or sheriff to evict the lodger. Check with your chief of police to find out how this issue is handled.
If you need to evict your lodger “for cause” – that is, for failing to pay the rent or violation of the rental agreement – you can serve him with a three-day notice, but if he doesn’t leave you will have to go through an unlawful detainer lawsuit as explained in this book. You cannot hand your copy of the three-day notice to the local police and ask them to remove the lodger. For this reason, you may want to use the less complicated route of the 30-day notice, in hopes that, if the lodger refuses to budge, local law enforcement will honor your termination notice.
Finally, if your lodger has a lease, you cannot evict unless he has failed to pay the rent, violated a term of the lease or engaged in illegal activity. You will need to use a three-day notice and, if the lodger fails to vacate, you must file an unlawful detainer lawsuit in order to get him out.

From: http://www.nolo.com/lawstore/products/product.cfm/objectID/BA36BFF6-F572-4128-BAE718206BF6766C/sampleChapter/7

P.S. The other more direct method is the Oakland chapter of the Hell’s Angels. Ask for Tiny.