Then why is sticking his dick in her comatose body so important?
There’s a difference between having sex with someone and masturbating inside someone. To me, fucking a comatose body falls under the second, while concious people fucking each other with mutual consent and enthusiasm falls under the first. From this perspective I don’t quite see where the “but he is lonely, he misses sex with his wife” argument, seen throughout this thread, is coming from. If he wants to masturbate, he masturbates and there’s other options available should he need an aid to do that. I’d be totally grossed out if I woke up from a coma only to find out someone I trusted and loved and had sex with before the accident, actually had used me as a masturbation tool and I’d be wondering if he hadn’t been seeing me as such the whole time before as well.
I don’t know, you’d have to ask him. I’ve said multiple times in this thread that I personally find it weird and wouldn’t do it. I just don’t think he should be charged with rape.
Oh, it’s so easy to make it sound crude, isn’t it?
What do you know? They’ve been married 17 years and for all you know he’s woken her up every morning for 17 years by making love to her and every time he makes love to her he’s desperately hoping and praying if he does it just right this time maybe she’ll wake up.
Go ahead though. Cry “rape!” Say he’s “masturbating inside her.” Think the worst. This is an RO thread.
I’m pretty sure i’ve said it. I wouldn’t appreciate a partner having sex with my comatose body.
To the contrary; it appears to me that the person the various women you refer to (not men, of course, since no men have disagreed with you whatsoever) feel has the greatest say is the woman in question, not them. There appear to be no calls for the husband in question to phone them up and ask permission. The key word appears to be consent, and the lack of it, but it does not appear that the consent is theirs to give - rather, that it is the woman in question’s to give. And she can’t.
Hey, you’re the one that conflated “i’m not in the mood” with “i’m comatose and cannot move nor give any kind of consent”. Like I said at the time, it’s certainly an impressive conflation, and until you address it I think you’re the last person to dictate to others what they need to understand.
What a busybody.
Where did I cry rape or use the word “rape” at all? I’m just providing a data point that I, individually, would not be OK with being fucked while in a coma . Basically because it would be all about him. That is why I have a problem in the case of the OP in spotting the tenderness from a seventeen year old mariage , it’s all about him and zilch about her. Also, maybe it’s because I live in the real world and don’t automatically assume marriages, even long lasting ones, are necessarrily happy for both parties.
What are you on about? I said there’s a difference right there in the post you quoted. I, and others here have basically said, “mi casa es su casa,” both pre-coma and during coma.
You seem hung up on “consent,” which is probably why I got so many panties in a bunch over my “sacred vagina” comment. Now I’m the douchbag. Cool, I can live with that.
You’re hear saying “uh, well, uh, duh, uh, like, uh, I’m a dude, and uh, like, uh, I don’t want anyone fuckin’ wit my body, uh, yanno?”
Good for you. I’m sure your spouse, if you have one, knows your wishes and isn’t going to masturbate on you.
Truus, how do you know it’s all about him? When you buy someone a present do you require their consent first? When you buy someone a present, is it “all about you” because you’re the one buying the present without the other’s consent? How weird.
I’d like the idea my lover was leaving me lots of prezzies, as it were, even if I weren’t all there to consent.
You conflated the two here;
Your cite for a woman for who’s definition of rape was “I wasn’t entirely happy” was DianaG feeling that it would be rape if her husband has his way with her comatose body. You conflated the two; one was evidence for the other. Furthermore, you said that any woman who felt it was rape if that occurred was an example. That you are now backpedaling is certainly admirable of you, but you certainly conflated them before.
Yes. Yes, I am hung up on consent. To me it is an important thing.
Generally, mocking another person by saying they’re inarticulate works better when you don’t use “hear” instead of “here”. I mean, arguing through mocking typing is a pretty shallow argument anyway; it loses whatever effectiveness it has by failing at it on top of that.
The problem, as I see it, is that we have two options. Either consent is assumed, overall, or it is not assumed overall. Now, I can certainly sympathise with your not getting any; i’m sure it’s arduous for you. But in general I would rather have honestly acting people go through the horrenduously difficult task of, uh, well, uh, duh, writing a note and signing it, than, uh, like, uh, dishonestly acting people raping their spouse or SO. You may of course disagree with my priorities, but in general I think i’m pretty sure i’d prefer less raping over less getting some. My bad, I know.
Well, since he’s gay (post #114), I guess he revels in being able to enjoy your company without having to do the Great Coochie Dance…
…and hence levdrakon for a start doesn’t need your sympathy for mistreatment or blueballedness, and as for me, don’t fret. Obviously, if I don’t get as much sex as I’d like, all my opinions on the subject are automatically invalid, but on the whole, I’ve been pretty successful at managing the health of my own balls over the years. Perhaps you’d better start harping on my relationship with my mother instead. :rolleyes:
My point is there appear to be different standards for what is rape. Most men here are saying “let her do what she wants; she did it before, who cares if I’m in a coma?” Some of the women here are saying “no consent?!? Rape!” So yeah, different standards for rape.
You got me their, they’re, uh… there. Good on you!
Ooh, the insults! Yeah, as soon as I became “douchbag” I remembered what forum I was in. Insult away. Yeah, I was implying you’re a knuckle-dragger. Did I hurt your feelings? I’m so not sorry. I’m a douchbag, and you agreed.
Wow you’re naive if think that scenario is likely. The real world is alot more fucked up. Now lets look at another much more likely scenario. Say she recovers and wakes up.
Turns out she didn’t him fucking her unconscious body. She feels violated, dirty, used, and is filled with rage and misstrust because she wasn’t protected while in such a vulnerable state. As a result spends the rest of her life dealing with the issues it causes.
Um… yeah, I get the gay thing. What I don’t get is why a gay man who considers women to be nothing more than the source of pussy has women friends.
I also don’t care about your particular balls, or how much sex you personally get. I was, once again, addressing your assertion that whenever a woman doesn’t have sex with a man, it’s a power play.
You seem like a bright enough fellow most of the time, so why do you insist on ignoring what I’m actually saying?
I thought misogynistic gay men were a myth created by the right to drive a wedge between women and homosexuals, but I guess not.
Well, shouldn’t you be reconsidering your assertion in the light of the evidence, and not the other way around?
Whenever? I didn’t say so. But why worry about what I actually say when providing both sides of the argument yourself is so much more satisfying?
Huh?
Uh, because I don’t consider them a source of pussy? You’re the one whose vagina is a prize. Oh wait, no. It’s part of the “collective” you.
My women friends have like, brains and personalities and stuff.
I disagree, but then again I don’t know the genders of all the people in this thread. Could you share with me your numbers?
Actually, that was the “putting forth my position” part, albeit somewhat condescendingly. The insults part was back when I called you a douchebag (and an arsehole). No, my feelings weren’t hurt; were you aiming for that?
Anyway, like I said, that was the putting forth of my position part. If indeed the two options are for an overall assumption of consent or nonconsent, then I do indeed feel that the negative of one side (people don’t get to have sex) is considerably outweighed by the negative of the other (people get to rape their spouse/SO). That to me seems like a reasonable position - which part do you disagree with?
Your assumption is that this is rape, and you’ve handily turned it into an either or argument: let spouses rape their comatose others, or not?
Clever.
To the contrary. My definition of rape is sex without consent; if indeed the husband in this story had got consent before she went into a coma, it would not be rape. I’m happy to admit that; if anything, i’d much prefer it to be the case.
As for the argument, this wouldn’t in and of itself do anything about actual rape rates - defining the term one way or the other just changes what we call it, not what happens. However, if we assume overall that marriage or some level of relationship implies consent even when one partner’s in a coma, then any cases of actual rape will lead to the raper getting off (if you’ll pardon the pun) entirely free. If we assume overall that it does not imply consent, then the worst case scenario is that the other partner doesn’t get laid.
What about that argument do you feel is incorrect? If i’m truly wrong, then I honestly would like to be corrected.
I’m sorry for the world you live in. The man in the OP apparently has fewer issues than you. Should we protect her from his holding her hand too? No consent given, and she might hate him, after all.