Utah Valley University in Utah county of Utah state; is this the most “Utah” place in the world? Is there somewhere with a fourth “Utah”?
Faith is the problem because it’s irrational; it is the denial of reality. This is just as true when that faith is applied to political beliefs as it is to religion. And that sort of irrational denial of reality is something we see all over the Right as they firmly hold fast to blatantly factually untrue beliefs in the face of any and all evidence. That’s what faith looks like when applied to politics, and is something that critics of America’s respect for faith have pointed out to be the likely end result for decades.
Faith is destructive. And makes it basically impossible to reason with people to convince them to stop being destructive. As, again, we’ve constantly seen with the MAGA types shrugging off all evidence and all consequences to themselves in their zeal to uphold their faith in Trumpism.
Perhaps UVU has a Department of Utah Studies?
This is interesting:
Nick Fuentes is, for want of a better term, the leader of the RW faction who had one of its guys kill the leader of the other RW faction, led by Charlie Kirk.
Now realizing he is target #1 for a revenge killing, Nick calls out to his good buddy Jesus, reminding all who hear him that Jesus surely wants the violence to end, so let’s not do any more violence (especially against Nick) anymore, OK?
If this were the last week of December, I’d put Saint Nick here #1 on my death pool list… you could say he would be, in the immortal words of Billboard Magazine, #1 with a bullet.
Faith is not logical. Logic demands proof but, faith defines itself by its refusal to provide proof. They are opposites. We need them both though.
High school algebra starts with the associative, commutative and distributive properties. These are assumptions that we take on faith. Group theory with its rings, fields, and what have you explores what happens without those assumptions.
The problem I see with pure logic though is that it can be too binary. There is nothing between true or false. When we take it too far, there is pure good and pure evil with no grey areas.
Religion, on the other hand, gets itself into trouble when it tries to be logical. That is where the holy wars come from. The religious leader is working for God. Anyone who disagrees with him must be working for Satan and is therefore better off dead. Religious leaders make terrible politicians. They are unable to deal with the opposition.
A religious leader who came close to being a decent politician was Jimmy Carter. He tried, but was seen as weak and served only one term. The Iran hostage crises put him in a real bind. He could see why the Iranians needed a revolution to overthrow the Shah but, he could not let them put him through a dubious trial or worse.
Using logic, I can give any answer that is not absolutely true and not absolutely false without relying on faith, and I can also say “I do not know, yet”. Are you sure you understand what “pure logic” even means?
No; faith is a purely destructive force, a flaw of the human mind. A more functional species would be incapable of faith, as it’s a failure state.
And all we need to do to see how destructive faith is, is look around us. This argument that faith is good and necessary was an important component of creating MAGA and the ascendance of fascism. It taught generations of people that denying reality is good, that only evil people acknowledge facts; and see what the result is.
Wait a minute, is this true? The person that kill Kirk was a right winger?
Yes. He is a member of the Fuentes ‘branch’.
Would like to clarify: The above makes it sound like Fuentes, or someone in Fuente’s organization, ordered the hit. He did not, this was poor wording on my part. As of now, it appears Robinson acted on his own.
The original question was answered pretty quickly: nah, this celebrity RW influencer getting killed is not setting off a US Civil War/break-up. Kirk was very popular with a certain young Christofascist MAGA demographic. Some of them have been killing representatives they consider the evil woke and shooting up the CDC and some will continue to do so. This won’t significantly change that in any way.
But now that it is at least believed that Kirk was motivated more by rivalries among the Far Right Christofascist groups (possibly, albeit I go with that being the superficial for plain old nuts empowered by powerful gun and skill who would have just as easily glommed on to some other thing and shot up a music festival or a Mosque or a temple during Rosh haShanah), is this going to catalyze a Civil War within the Christofascist Far Right? Revenge gang hits basically. That I’d give reasonable odds on.
Re: Christofascism, etc….. I wish there’d be a movement where they turn upon themselves: a “Trump is the Antichrist” movement. They can quote from Revelations and prove that he’s actually the Antichrist, and that his followers are either deluded or evil minions. Use the same irrational logic that they fall for, in service for getting them to self-destruct.
I don’t think you understand Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists. Many of them do, in fact, believe that Donald Trump is the Biblical antikhristos mentioned in the First and Second Epistle of John, foretelling the return of Jesus to Earth and the coming of the End Times. For them, the Donald Trump is a personification of all that they fantasize about, and that he is working to bring apocalyptic war to Israel is ‘proof’ (in their minds) of his divine role. Your ambition for a “‘Trump is the Antichrist’ movement” is precisely what motivates them.
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Nope, he was no longer part of the right.
Kirk Shooting Suspect Held “Leftist Ideology” Utah Governor Says
He also apparently had romantic partner who is transitioning from male to female. Reports are the partner is cooperation with authorities.
Offered with this comment; If they thought that Trump actually was the Anti-Christ then they’d be celebrating the immanent Return of The Christ,
But how can they like him and also call him the antikhristos?
I have seen some (very few) evangelicals call Trump the antichrist or at least denounce him, but this type of fundie does not like him. I have not seen any that like him and call him that. I’ve seen plenty that call him the “chosen one” or who see him, as cited above, as a modern-day Cyrus the Great.
and that war is required to happen before Christ’s return. Trump, as The Antikhristos, is The One they need to bring on the Apocalypse.
As mentioned before:
That is still what the Governor claims, not confirmation from other independent sources.
Mr. Cox did not go into specifics about Mr. Robinson’s ideological views or offer a clear picture of them. Mr. Cox said Mr. Robinson had spent much of his time immersed in online gaming, message boards and parts of what the governor called the “deep, dark internet.”
So far in other news, I did see that relatives and others could not confirm the relationship.
Despite social media linking the Twiggs with the ‘trans partner’, no report suggests that they are related. He is from Saint George, Utah, and lived near Utah Valley University, where Charlie Kirk was shot.
According to the New York Post website, A neighbor claimed two weeks ago several people, driving cars with out-of-state plates, were seen going in and out. “They did not give off a good vibe,”
While some reports suggest that Robinson was living with a transgender partner who is cooperating with the FBI, there is no official confirmation that Twiggs is the same individual referred to in these reports. A relative of Twiggs confirmed to The New York Post that he was Robinson’s roommate but declined to comment on any romantic relationship.
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So it seems like this is the first major investigation of the FBI’s post-truth era. Does anyone else think they’re sweating Tyler Robinson or anyone connected to him in an interrogation room somewhere until they get the answers they’re looking for?