Will I ever understand people? Probably not.

Situation A: Friends move to the Outer Limits of suburbia. One could almost say they moved to the country. This was a voluntary move. Nobody marched them at tunpoint out of the inner city and into the almost-country. They moved into a brand-new house–this friend is a fanatic about not ever living in a house anyone has ever lived in before–and then there was a couple of years of bitching about things wrong with the brand-new house that had to be fixed, but the main thing was…that they were so FAARRRR from everything! Long commute to work. Nearest grocery store a 20-minute drive. Stuck among the suburbanites, they felt so isolated. They could…SMELL COWS.

And then of course their subdivision filled up. They got a grade school. Empty lots became improved lots. The cow pasture became a strip mall. The original turnoff to their place, which wasn’t even marked, got a sign, then a bigger sign, then became an intersection that needed a four-way stop sign (great rejoicing), then an actual traffic signal, then a traffic signal with a left-hand turn arrow (more great rejoicing).

Then, a grocery store moved in, along with the usual suburban flotsam of Home Depot, a place to get hair styled and waxed, some fast-food places. It turned into a full-scale shopping center, where the cows used to be.

At first, more great rejoicing. Now they could walk to the store (as they could have done, and did, in the inner city). But there were problems. Actual traffic congestion. Polluted air.

So, in short, they moved into the country and bitched about country things, then as the area became more urbanized they bitched about urban things, and now they’re looking for another brand-new house, this whole process having taken about six years. (Thinks hard: yes. Six years.)

Situation B: Inlaws, who spent 20 years living in Rochester, NY, retired in Tucson. For the weather.

Not that they ever experience the weather, because they are inside, in their air conditioning, with their TV tuned to TheWeather Channel so they can point and laugh at Rochester and be happy they are not there.

In the summer they do not go outside during the day, and rarely during the night. They moan a bit about their utility bill. (Hello? Turn off the TV. Or at least try to remember the utility bill in Rochester in the winter.) Must wear sunscreen year-round. (Why? Since you never go outside.) They moan about their water bill. (Planted a bit of grass, ‘cause they missed the smell of fresh-cut grass.)

Okay, there are lots of places* you can go where, if you don’t want to go outside and don’t want your windows open, you can have a climate-controlled 75-degree year-round experience, without moving to a very warm place. You can have a lawn without going bankrupt (but maybe you can’t have an orange tree). I have visited them in Tucson in the summer. It’s not THAT hot. It’s a dry heat. It’s for cat’s sake why you moved to friggin’ Tucson! I would never turn on the AC although, unlike in Denver, I would turn it on in my car if I lived there, probably.

So maybe you need that greener grass to look at, or something. Or maybe it’s more like me painting my kitchen peach, and reveling in the peach and how it works with the countertops and the new curtains and being all happy in my peach kitchen, and then a couple of years later thinking it would look a lot better if I’d gone with a more intense color. I can hardly wait to paint it red.

*Cleveland, for instance.

I think a lot of people these days simply lack either the capacity, the emotional tools or the inclination to be happy. It’s a pity.

Some people are happier when they’re complaining about things. (It is kind of fun to kvetch and moan…in moderation of course.)

I’d hate to be marched out at the point of a large cask for holding liquids, esp. wine, ale, or beer.

I’m done being a dick. Now I’ll read the whole post and respond if I have a useful opinion.

Joe

OK, not that this is particularly useful, but…

People are in-fucking-sane. Never happy, and when presented with happiness, they search for a kernel of unhappiness and latch on. It’s why I’m a hermitous as can be.

Joe

So you’ve MET my brother in law and his girlfriend? Who moved to Huntley a few years ago? Which is now as congested as Schaumburg practically? :rolleyes: Idiots. The only difference is that they aren’t looking to move - they’re probably going to break up.

Hilarity, I don’t understand people either. I’ve found that my dog is much easier to get along with.

In mid-1999 my parents moved from Rochester to Florida. Several months later, my father sent an e-mail to everyone in the family saying that they were sick of Florida and were moving back. They didn’t really care for the sunshine or the attitudes of Southerners or being so close to my sister. They’d had it, and were going to start looking for a house in Rochester.

That e-mail was sent eight years ago… today.

Wait! What’s wrong with the weather in Rochester?

:smiley:

ETA: tdn, your parents might have been joking - but after having lived for an eternity one year in Florida - you couldn’t pay me enough to deal with that weather.

Six months of winter and six months of poor sledding.

How about the people who move to the country to be ‘closer to nature’ and ‘enjoy the wildlife,’ and then get pissed off when the wildlife eats their landscaping? We had a controversy here a few years ago when a group of these type of folks wanted to organize a hunt to kill the deer in their area because they were doing what deer do - eating all the tasty plants.

People, you moved into their area. What did you think was going to happen? :smack:

I find that hard to believe, but my father has told me (in all seriousness) that he welcomes breaks from the sunshine whenever they happen. Weird. And I’ve heard that in the summer it can get too hot to go to the beach. Does. Not. Compute.

I saw similar stories play out all through my childhood. I grew up in a very rural area and there seemed to always be a steady flow of ‘city folk’ (strangely, mostly from Chicago) moving into the area to get away from the city and enjoy the country, only to leave a few months later because it was ‘too country.’ They didn’t like the wild animals; they didn’t like farm traffic on the roads; they didn’t like hunting dogs running free, baying at the moon or the sent of a coyote or raccoon. In short, they didn’t like the reality of what had been a romantic ideal to them in the abstract.

I grew up in New England. As such I tend to view certain things as axiomatic: There are four distinct seasons; the weather can be predicted on a general basis, or at least characterized based on the calendar, but specific predictions are going to be full of fudge factors and slippage; and and eighth of an inch of snow shouldn’t shut down the whole effing state.
Florida does not subscribe to any of these rules. There were really three seasons I noticed while I was there: T-storm season, summer, and a really wimpy fall/winter thing that was all rolled into one moldy mess. More to the point, the fact that during T-storm season one could set one’s watch by the daily 1605 T-storms drove me nuts. Weather is not supposed to behave that way. It’s wrong, and evil, and an affront to nature! This is a bit of hyperbole, but it reflects an honest response - the weather down there was so far from what I considered normal, and comfortable, it contributed to why I hated my time in the state.

Some smart guy once observed that people are very bad at predicting what will make them happy.

I tend to think that many people are just restless by nature, and their complaints about their current surroundings are just rationalizations of their compulsion to periodically get up and move.

I understand that (well, not the “too hot to go to the beach part”).

When I lived in sunny, temperate Colorado, I used to long for a cloudy day. You know, the kind of day where you want to stay inside all day and cook a stew. They just never happened there - even if it started out cloudy, it got sunny later in the day.

But I’m a weirdo. I’m sitting here in sunny New Mexico, where we came to get away from the winter, looking at my hometown newspaper reading about how they got 20 inches of snow in the last 24 hours and sorta wishing I was there. Every day is the same here - sunny, moderately warm, with killer centipedes emerging from the walls. Dull (except for the centipedes.)

OK, I get the appeal of the occasional cool cloudy day to sit at home and sip cocoa and read. I love days like that.

I guess I’d be happy living someplace like Martha’s Vineyard with its typical July weather. Year round. No effin’ way I’d enjoy it in winter, though. I understand that in winter alcoholism becomes a competitive sport.

And this is why I’ll stay happy in the Mid-Atlantic. 4 distinct seasons, mountain and beach within driving distance and at least an hour drive from any relatives.

I do understand this. I welcome the odd rainy day (I don’t exactly long for them), just because they’re so rare here.
I understand people (and I know lots of them) who like to live in Arizona in the winter and then move back here in the summer.
But people who retire to Arizona? Because it’s warm? And then complain about the heat? 'Tis a waste, I say.

You haven’t been here long enough. I think the weather gods have been extra nice to us during your visit.

I’ve been here since the end of January, and all I hear are you New Mexicans bitchin’ about how horrible the weather is. There hasn’t been one day that hasn’t been sunny & warmish and you guys do nothing about complain about the harsh winter this year!

Me, I’m the one in shorts & a T-shirt on the Plaza while the rest o’ you walk around in hats & mittens. :smiley: