Along with the pizza parlor with the basement full of abused kids?
Which would solve what? She’d ignore the question*, and like I said- even if trump was on some sort of list- and he definitely associated with Epstein- but so did many others- it wont hurt him at all. He was convicted of numerous felonies and still got elected. His cult would derided anything as fake anyway.
*even if she said NO, and later on it was proved the answer was yes- so? That’s not perjury.
I don’t think they have an obligation and I think they would correctly perceive that putting their head above the parapet would likely result in it being shot off. Many, many people are frothing at the mouth rabid about this stuff and will pillory those involved quite regardless of facts or logic.
Epstein’s suicide doesn’t really interest me. It’s the fact that Epstein was allowed to operate with virtual impunity for so long, so many rich and powerful people enjoy raping children and said rapes are used by intelligence agencies to their benefit. How many other Epsteins are out there? How many elites are secretly monsters behind closed doors and happily so? How many decisions are made in the halls of power by people who are deviants and/or don’t want to be exposed as deviants? Why are we content with being ruled over by such rotten and evil people?
Eye of the Chickenhawk by Simon Dovey and One Nation Under Blackmail by Whitney Webb offer comprehensive information on the subject. John David Norman was a sex trafficker and pornographer with tens of thousands of clients in the 1970s and his client list would always get lost or destroyed by the police whenever he was arrested so the matter of Epstein has precedent. Sex abuse rings involving the elite and the use of blackmail by intelligence agencies have been well documented fact across the world going back decades. Why would this be the only crime they aren’t involved in?
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Oooooh-kaaayyy… THAT is a fine example of what the “thinking” is. 
Perhaps this is a hot take but my impression is that most people who express murderous intent towards pedophiles are just virtue signalling and don’t actually mean it. When confronted with it in reality, they tend to find ways to excuse the behavior or pretend it doesn’t exist. We’re seeing a lot of this right now with Trump. Some of the MAGA crowd think that Trump is at the mercy of “deep state” pedophiles. It never occurs to them that Trump is the deep state and the pedophile. If they can’t square it with their world view, they throw it out the window.
Okay but this clown show is the best they can do? Let’s say you’re an intelligence agency with what amounts to basically unlimited power to blackmail the US government into doing your bidding. And this is what you choose to do with it? This ham-fisted, absurdly incompetent attempt at a cover-up is only making things worse and is getting a lot of people to ask questions right now. That’s a lot of risk for the meagre reward of having Donald Trump in your pocket.
Also, what if the blackmail doesn’t work? What if it has been a widely known fact for a long time that Donald Trump is a pervert who has no concept of consent or how laws around sex might apply to him and nobody cares? It doesn’t matter what files end up being released, anything involving Trump being himself will just get dismissed as fake news.
If Trump owned up to it and said he went to Epstein Island specifically to have sex with the young girls there, his supporters would rationalize it in some way, just as they rationalized his shitty diaper into a symbol of masculinity.
Also: there have been a number of garden-variety sex traffickers caught and put in jail. Generally the customers are not hunted down and prosecuted to my knowledge. Why should we expect that precedent to change at the more expensive end of the market? A: Publicity, which makes the elite more susceptible to criminal and civil liability, not less.
Admittedly, I haven’t looked into this at any level of detail. What share of Epstein’s trafficked females were underaged? I dunno. What share of Epstein associates visited the Island? I dunno. I haven’t even read the perp’s wiki page.
If anything, it would be a net plus. The Republican party is the one that voted to allow marriage at 13, if you pay her parents enough. It’s hard to imagine that they really think sex with young women is bad.
It’s a combination of virtue signaling and a club to beat their opponents with.
I see Democrats picking up that club now. I wonder if it will really work. I suspect that the right wing blogoverse will shrug it off, when it’s aimed at Republicans, and and pick it up again when it is aimed at a Democrat.
In the mean time what seems to get lost is that this isn’t some crime that only Epstein was guilty of. The exploitation of young (under 18) women for sex happens every day everywhere on the planet that prostitution exists. Except maybe Amsterdam, I understand the Dutch enforce the regulations against that sort of thing.
I do not know. But if someone knew that they were going a private interstate flight with women paid for sex, I think it would be a Mann Act violation, regardless of how young they looked or were. A lot of the flights were between Florida and the New York area.
WaPo today:
Speaker Mike Johnson and other Republicans break with Trump on Epstein
Here is the transparency motion Ro Khanna(D-CA) is trying to get passed:
Courtesy of Matt Gaetz we already have precedent for the idea that child prostitution/interstate sex trafficking isn’t illegal (as in won’t result in charges) if the child prostitute is in on it and the john pretends he doesn’t know. I have a feeling every person who visited the island is going to have a sudden case of amnesia and/or will testify to the effect that the age of the girls never came up. It’s their own version of don’t ask, don’t tell!
That reminds me, wasn’t Matt Gaetz the original planned AG for Trump 2.0? It would be kind of hilarious (in the tragic way that all Trump things are kind of hilarious) if Bondi got fired and Gaetz got swapped in to replace her.
If anyone buys it, Trump today gave a reason why the answer to the thread title question is no:
The obvious next question is the why didn’t Obama and Biden use the fake files they created to destroy MAGA world. Part of Trump’s answer might be that Biden has dementia, but what about Obama?
Yeah. Any innocent person who writes online or says in public, “I was a close friend or business associate of Jeffrey Epstein, but…” - before he even has a chance to say his part, the mob would already have torches and pitchforks.
Lazy and/or shiftless.
Also if the whole thing is fake then Ghislaine Maxwell is in jail for 20 years because of a hoax. So why did Trump’s DOJ just decide that her case should not be reviewed by the Supreme Court? (I mean, I guess this administration has already set a precedent for “oops, that person is already in jail so there’s nothing we can do” but then again there were some January 6th people in jail until Trump took office so it seems like they do know how to let some people out of jail when they feel like it.)
If he had any sort of real cleverness to him, he would say they found that between the Maxwell conviction and now those lists were tampered with or the chain of records custody was violated so much we can no longer trust anything beyond what came out in her trial.
One thing I’d caution about is the risk for the Ds to now take up the mantle of “release everything”. This would bite them in the ass too, when/if they get in a position to do something about it and then they have to come up with an excuse.
Epstein was a pimp to the rich and influential. As pimps gonna pimp like pimps pimp, there were exploited teenagers in the deal. But it’s not the only thing that was up, and this was never going to be the thing that blows open a great secret cabal of pedophiles ruling the world. Just a bunch of f&$@in’ creepy privileged guys doing creepy privileged things. Still bad enough though that they don’t want to talk about that.
(BTW the angle from some commenters, stating or suggesting “Mossad” involvement ISTM is just grabbing on that he’s a -stein and bringing in something also very distasteful.)
I read your link carefully and then searched for the Epstein plea agreement. The closest I could find is the excerpt on pages 102-103 here:
I oppose plea bargaining. But if you are going to have plea bargains, it is unacceptable for the government to turn around years later and say that an assistant U.S. attorney (AUSA) was too lenient.
And the idea that the plea bargain only binds federal prosecutors in the district where it was signed seems to me, if you are going to have plea bargains, grossly unfair.
The remedy for bad plea bargains should be to go to trial. But if that’s pie-in-the-sky, the government should improve AUSA training, or provide another level of review in the Justice Department before the plea is offered, or, conceivably, discipline the incompetent AUSA. The remedy cannot be to invalidate the agreement with the defendant after he served the time and/or died.
So as far as I can tell, not only will Jeffrey Epstein’s friends never face criminal justice, they should not. There is nothing in the original plea agreement to stop them from being sued by victims, although the passage of time makes it hard to have fair trials. Maybe some will see releasing names as a form of justice. I do not.
Apologies if this has already been covered in past threads.. I never paid attention to Jeffrey Epstein until a few weeks ago.
If the Democrats had a lick of sense they would “Carthago delenda est” the release of Epstein files. Attempt to attach it to every single bill regardless of subject, and force the GOP to vote it down. That might be the plan… https://www.axios.com/2025/07/15/epstein-house-democrats-republicans-trump-doj
Is that how it works? I’m not a scholar on US law but I was under the impression any agreements with Epstein would have died with him.
FWIW, I have seen this used on Billions, which is a television drama. The Southern District promised someone they wouldn’t go after him and as soon as that guy could breathe a sigh of relief, the Eastern District laid the same charges the Southern District had been pursuing. As I recall, this was regarded as underhanded but not illegal. However, this soapy show may certainly have been exaggerating for effect or using dramatic shortcuts that would never work in real life.
Though the idea that Alex Acosta gave Epstein such a ridiculously generous plea agreement (including a confidentiality clause FFS!) because he was poorly trained and didn’t know what he was doing is laughable on so many levels (not least that he was “punished” for it by being given a post in the first Trump cabinet)
I don’t understand this. What would be invalidated? Its clear the plea deal details leaked long ago whatever the confidentiality clause says. So it’s a moot point. And even if it wasn’t there is no way it should be upheld. It was an egregious Injustice perpetrated by very powerful people at the expense of victims of terrible abuse. There is no way in hell it should respected even after the criminal who agreed to it died.
Realistically, Democrats should have been shoving their finger in the gaping wound since 2016. I want to know everything there is to know about Trump’s relationship with Epstein, sure, but also with George Nader, John Cassablancas, Tevfik Arif, Bill Clinton, etc. I’d like to know about Linda McMahon and her history with Melvin Phillips Jr., and Vince McMahon’s orgy bullying. I’d like to know more about Trump’s activities while running Miss Teen America.
How many sex addicts, pedos, and sex traffickers do you need to roll into your entourage before someone starts asking questions? Why is this still 9 years out and we’re not hearing “De lasciviis quaerendis est” at the start and end of every Senate meeting?